[License-review] For Approval: Open Logistics License v1.3 (was v1.2)

Pamela Chestek pamela.chestek at opensource.org
Sun Jan 22 04:59:03 UTC 2023


Hi Andreas,

We will consider version 1.2 withdrawn and this a resubmission. The 
Decision Date for it will be 30 days after submission, that is, 30 days 
after January 17, 2023.[^1]

Pamela Chestek
Chair, License Committee
Open Source Initiative

[^1]: "'Decision Date' for a license normally means (a) 60 days after a 
license is initially submitted to the license-review list for review, 
and (b) 30 days after submission of a revised version of a license that 
was previously submitted for review." https://opensource.org/approval

On 1/17/2023 8:41 AM, Andreas Nettsträter wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> attached you’ll find the updated version of our license.
>
> As discussed earlier, we’ve adapted the license name; we have 
> corrected the parentheses in the first sentence of article 4 and we’ve 
> deleted a paragraph from article 4. In our view, paragraph 1 of 
> article 4 already ensures the flow down of the licence and conditions, 
> so that 4.4 is not necessarily needed. Therefore, we dropped it 
> completely.
>
> Regards
>
> Andreas
>
> *Von:*License-review <license-review-bounces at lists.opensource.org 
> <mailto:license-review-bounces at lists.opensource.org>> *Im Auftrag von 
> *Andreas Nettsträter
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 13. Januar 2023 14:28
> *An:* License submissions for OSI review 
> <license-review at lists.opensource.org 
> <mailto:license-review at lists.opensource.org>>
> *Betreff:* Re: [License-review] For Approval: Open Logistics License v1.2
>
> Dear Carlo, all,
>
> thanks for the advice. We already have some ideas to make it more 
> understandable.
>
> I’ll share an updated version (including some other discussed topics) 
> of the license within the next days.
>
> Regards
>
> Andreas
>
> *Von:*License-review <license-review-bounces at lists.opensource.org 
> <mailto:license-review-bounces at lists.opensource.org>> *Im Auftrag von 
> *Carlo Piana
> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 31. Dezember 2022 11:27
> *An:* License submissions for OSI review 
> <license-review at lists.opensource.org 
> <mailto:license-review at lists.opensource.org>>
> *Betreff:* Re: [License-review] For Approval: Open Logistics License v1.2
>
> Andreas,
>
> definitely not authoritative, but since I am the one who raised the 
> subject, I feel an obligation to provide a potential solution.
>
> I would not depart from the common practice of requesting that the 
> recipients of distributed software be notified of the legal language 
> in some form, by including the whole text of the license along the 
> distribution, or by making reference to a canonical online resource, 
> and by requesting an appropriate legal notice. There are plenty of 
> examples out there, all remixing the same concepts and language. See 
> e.g. the GNU *GPLv3.
>
> All the best,
>
> Carlo
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     *Da: *"Andreas Nettsträter"
>     <andreas.nettstraeter at openlogisticsfoundation.org
>     <mailto:andreas.nettstraeter at openlogisticsfoundation.org>>
>     *A: *"License submissions for OSI review"
>     <license-review at lists.opensource.org
>     <mailto:license-review at lists.opensource.org>>
>     *Inviato: *Venerdì, 23 dicembre 2022 15:01:24
>     *Oggetto: *Re: [License-review] For Approval: Open Logistics
>     License v1.2
>
>     Dear Pam, dear Carlo,
>
>     the last bulletpoint of Article 4 was meant to implement an
>     obligation to flow down the obligations of the other bulletpoints
>     of Article 4; if the provision requires modification to make this
>     clear, we can make the respective amendments.
>
>     How could we formulate it in a better way?
>
>     Regards
>
>     Andreas
>
>     *Von:*License-review <license-review-bounces at lists.opensource.org>
>     *Im Auftrag von *Pamela Chestek
>     *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 14. Dezember 2022 18:05
>     *An:* license-review at lists.opensource.org
>     <mailto:license-review at lists.opensource.org>
>     *Betreff:* Re: [License-review] For Approval: Open Logistics
>     License v1.2
>
>     On 12/14/2022 4:24 AM, Carlo Piana wrote:
>
>             On 12/5/2022 2:45 PM, Carlo Piana wrote:
>
>                     You must ensure that the recipients of the Subject
>                     Matter of the License or
>
>                     Derivative Works are obligated to incorporate the
>                     provisions of this Section 4
>
>                     into any license under which they distribute the
>                     Subject Matter of the License
>
>                     or Derivative Works to any other recipients.
>
>                 This provision requires the "You" to a legal effect.
>                 As a general remark, this is an open ended obligation
>                 and IMVHO a bad design decision, since the legal
>                 effect depends on many different circumstances outside
>                 the control of the "You", including intent, capacity,
>                 errors, lack of proper form etc. You can surely
>                 include perform an obligation as a condition of the
>                 grant, but including a legal effect is to me really
>                 really seeking for trouble.
>
>             Carlo, I'm not following what you're saying. Are you
>             saying that the Licensor has some liability if the user
>             doesn't actually incorporate the provisions of Section 4
>             into their downstream license?
>
>         Sorry Pam, I have written poorly
>
>         I meant "This provision requires the "You" to **achieve** a
>         legal effect." The obligation requires that *the recipients**
>         be "obligated".  Here it is more of a guarantee, something
>         that you are liable for and not necessarily control, so the
>         risk  is on you whatever it happens.
>
>     Thanks, that's very helpful.
>
>     Pam
>
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