Concerns relating to the FSF and Future Licenses

Chris Travers chris at
Sun Aug 19 00:59:29 UTC 2007

For the record, this discussion came about because of questions as to 
whether similar concerns should be considerd wrt Microsoft.

I just felt that if I was going to say something like "do we want to 
open this door" relating to discussing Microsoft's priorities relating 
to FOSS, and suggesting that it the FSF's hands in this area are not 
clean, then I probably should back up what I say.

I am *not* asking for an inquiry into the FSF.  I am *not* asking for 
this to be held against any of their licenses (though I have a hard time 
imagining how the AGPL can ever be held as "Free" by any standard other 
than "because it was released by the FSF."

The post is also a bit of background into why I consider the FSF as 
pernicious when it comes to Free Software as any proprietary software 

But that is what it is.  It does *not* bear any relevance to the OSI 
other than to provide context for other remarks I have made.  I would 
note that many people including Rick Moen and Chris Dibona have either 
asked me to back up what I have said on other threads or offered to 
discuss it.  I figured that such a post was only fair even if only 
marginally on-topic.

Best WIshes,
Chris Travers

Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Chris Travers (chris at
>> Hi all;
> [incredibly long post]
> Chris seems to want list-members to conduct an inquiry into FSF itself
> and conduct of FSF spokesmen (especially their "loyalty to their ideals"), 
> as opposed to examining FSF-originated licences on their merits measured
> against, oh, the Open Source Definition.
> Speaking for myself, gee, Chris, that just doesn't sound interesting 
> (coming across, in fact, as a huge and rather disreputable waste of time),
> and I suggest you look up the phrase "tu quoque".

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