[CAVO] Fwd: [VVSG-election] [VVSG-interoperability] By November, Russian hackers could target voting machines
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Thu Jul 28 19:13:32 UTC 2016
The VVPAT on a continuous roll was NEVER what I and others had intended
as an implementation of Voter Verified Paper Ballots (VVPB). The
continuous roll leaves open the possibility of vote-selling and exposure
of the ballot contents because the order of the voters as they enter the
polling booth can be recorded and later synchronized to be revealed.
There have also been problems with the paper rolls jamming and ripping,
and there is also an electronic tally that can be used in lieu of the
paper. This is the same with the paper sheets. Typically the paper is
NEVER counted nor used for recounts.
My concept of the VVPB uses the paper as the ACTUAL ballot. Namely, the
ballot that the voter sees and VERIFIES with an affirmative action, is
the TRUE ballot to be used for vote tabulation and also for purposes of
recounts. For example, hand-prepared ballots that are publicly
hand-tabulated, such as in the UK, would qualify as VVPBs. Hand marked
paper ballots that are optically scanned are typically never
hand-tabulated, and in some regions (such as Florida) their
hand-tabulation is PROHIBITED by law. Some states, though, do provide
for a hand recount of paper ballots that the voters prepared or verified
at the time of voting, and that would be OK in my opinion.
The positions of various academic proponents of different balloting
systems has tended to change over the years. Some also allow for
cryptographic voting, which they refer to as voter "verifiable" which I
also find unacceptable, since the voter really cannot verify the
mathematical implementations directly.
For additional information about electronic voting, its inherent
problems, and my positions and writing, see the many papers and articles
on my website at www.notablesoftware.com/evote.html
Good luck trying to sort it all out,
Rebecca Mercuri, Ph.D.
On 7/28/2016 12:55 PM, Brent Turner wrote:
> Right- O--
> Conversations with Felton have shown he is aligned with the security
> community in recognizing VVPAT as a failed / botched concept..
> Dr. Mercuri can chime in but my understanding is Dill stole her design
> and failed to execute it properly..
> Perhaps it would be better with OS code.. Rebecca ?
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Gilbert,Juan E <juan at ufl.edu
> <mailto:juan at ufl.edu>> wrote:
> This isn't a VVPAT demo. He didn't discuss VVPATs in this
> demonstration. The tally results were printed on a thermal roll,
> but that's not a VVPAT.
> On 7/28/16 11:18 AM, Brent Turner wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 7:29 AM, Gilbert,Juan E <juan at ufl.edu
>> <mailto:juan at ufl.edu>> wrote:
>> Brent, you said,
>> Currently the " secret software " systems coupled with
>> VVPAT's are
>> condemned as insecure by government study, so we don't have
>> to consider
>> the internet to sound those alarms. Ed Felton from OSTP confirms.
>> Can you point me to those articles? I agree VVPAT's have
>> issues. Just to
>> be clear, VVPATs are ballots printed on a continuous thermal
>> paper roll.
>> However, ES&S ExpressVote and the work we have done for years
>> with Prime
>> III, prints a voter-verifiable paper ballot on a single sheet
>> of paper
>> versus the VVPAT on a continuous roll behind a glass screen.
>> To my
>> knowledge, no one has condemned this approach as insecure in
>> any way.
>> Has anyone heard anything different?
>> On 7/28/16 10:11 AM, Brent Turner wrote:
>> > Currently the " secret software " systems coupled with
>> VVPAT's are
>> > condemned as insecure by government study, so we don't have to
>> > consider the internet to sound those alarms. Ed Felton from
>> > confirms.
>> Juan E. Gilbert, Ph.D.
>> Andrew Banks Family Preeminence Endowed Professor & Chair
>> Computer & Information Science & Engineering Department
>> Herbert Wertheim College of Engineering
>> University of Florida
>> P.O. Box 116120
>> Gainesville, FL 32611
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> Juan E. Gilbert, Ph.D.
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> Herbert Wertheim College of Engineering
> University of Florida
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> Gainesville, FL 32611
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> 352.273.0738 <tel:352.273.0738> (F)
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