[License-discuss] code hosting (was Re: Evolving the License Review process for OSI)

Bruce Perens bruce at perens.com
Tue Jun 11 16:56:56 UTC 2019

You're a bit over the top, regarding Ruby on Rails. And if you are bothered
by the performance or resource use, consider converting the code to Crystal.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 23:45 Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

> Quoting Thorsten Glaser (tg at mirbsd.de):
> > I will not use the Debian-provided Gitlab even for Debian packages
> > if I can avoid it, both because I’m <insert four-letter word here/>
> > by their badly coordinated move and because of its proprietaryness.
> Anyone's GitLab is also (IMVAO) grossly overengineered.  From my own
> Operations / sysadmin perspective, I regard anyone who relies on a
> monstrosity like GitLab as naive about software history and/or drunk on
> long feature lists - or, alternatively, inexplicably driven by unclear
> motives to abandon the likes of FusionForge (as Debian did[1]) for
> GitLab bloatware before the emergence of saner-scoped and
> better-designed alternatives such as Gogs and Gitea.
> https://gitea.io/
> https://gogs.io/
> As with Discourse, the bad news about GitLab (from the point of view of
> software architecture) starts with Ruby on Rails.  Have you actually run
> Ruby on Rails for anything significant?  You quickly find out that RoR
> is (a) very brittle[2], (b) unbelievably slow and resource-hungry, and
> (c) unscalable.
> And, as if RoR weren't enough of an albatross, GitLab plonks on top of
> that a second heavy layer of JavaScript using the Vue.js library,
> exactly as Discourse does with Ember.js.
> The result in both cases is _theoretically_ open source (well, open
> core in GitLab CE's case), but you'd be a masochist to actually run
> them, and even the portability of data they host is doubtful.
> But hey, if you're, let's say, a lawyer and not a sysadmin or coder,
> they look 'smart'.  And you can just outsource, making the
> overengineering and consequent headaches Somebody Else's Problem.
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alioth_(Debian).  FusionForge
> is the surviving open-source fork of the SourceForge architecture
> invented by the late Tim Perdue and colleagues at my then-firm VA Linux
> Systems, back when it still supporte open source.  Like you, I'm
> perplexed that Debian Project EOLed its perfectly adequate Alioth site
> for, of all things, GitLab CE.  They must hate their Operations team.
> [2] There's an entire consulting industry devoted to fixing RoR
> glitches and failures that shouldn't even exist in the first place.
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