[License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: U.S. Army Research Laboratory Open Source License (ARL OSL) 0.4.0
Richard Fontana
fontana at opensource.org
Mon Aug 22 21:03:34 UTC 2016
Yes, that is mistaken. This list plays no role in the OSI license
approval process, though it can be an appropriate place to discuss a
license that has not been submitted for OSI approval.
Richard
On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 08:45:41PM +0000, Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US) wrote:
> I'm aware of the other list, but my understanding was that it had to be submitted to this list for discussion first, and then submitted to license-review once there was some consensus; am I wrong about this?
>
> Thanks,
> Cem Karan
>
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> > Subject: Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: U.S. Army Research Laboratory Open Source License (ARL OSL)
> > 0.4.0
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> > I'm not sure if you're already aware but for several years this mailing list has not been used for discussing licenses submitted for OSI
> > approval -- that is done on the license-review mailing list. The license review process is described at Caution-
> > https://opensource.org/approval.
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> > I haven't followed this thread too closely but it is clear that the ARL OSL is very different from NOSA 2.0. The only way to see whether it
> > would merit OSI approval (if that's what you are seeking) would be to submit it for review.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 05:14:59PM +0000, Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY RDECOM ARL (US) wrote:
> > > OK, so assuming that the NOSA 2.0 license is dead in the water, what about the ARL OSL? Is it also, dead, and if so, why? Leave aside
> > the license proliferation aspect, and focus on what needs to be changed with the ARL OSL to make it acceptable.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Cem Karan
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: License-discuss
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> > > > Richard Fontana
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> > > > Subject: Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: [Non-DoD Source]
> > > > Re: U.S. Army Research Laboratory Open Source License (ARL OSL)
> > > > 0.4.0
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> > > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 02:24:53AM +0000, Tzeng, Nigel H. wrote:
> > > > > My understanding then and now was that it had become clear to them
> > > > > that Richard and Bruce was going to stall approval for a long
> > > > > time/forever unless they took out the patent clause that the open
> > > > > data folks wanted. So they withdrew because they were never going
> > > > > to do that and the discussions were getting more and more heated.
> > > >
> > > > I'm assuming 'Richard' is me and 'Bruce' is Bruce Perens. Neither of
> > > > us were on the OSI board at that time; we were just participants on
> > > > a mailing list. Also, I don't recall Bruce Perens' involvement in
> > > > the
> > > > CC0 discussion at all, but my objective was to encourage the OSI
> > > > take a consistent approach to the problem of nonstandard provisions
> > > > dealing with patents, having remembered the discussion of the MXM license in ~2009, rather than an approach that would be
> > explainable solely by attitudes towards the license steward.
> > > >
> > > > > If you don¹t believe that was a correct assessment on their part
> > > > > then pray tell the status of NOSA v2 that was originally submitted
> > > > > for approval in 2013.
> > > >
> > > > That's a special, unfortunate case. With NOSA 2.0 I continued (and
> > > > sort of continue) to feel that the license was salvageable with a lot of work, which no one (including me and I think including NASA)
> > seems to have the time or inclination to take on individually or collectively.
> > > > Possibly, in retrospect, the better approach with NOSA
> > > > 2.0 would have been to outright reject it as being way too complex
> > > > with a number of likely or actual fatal problems. An issue there was
> > > > that, until recently, I assumed that the OSI customarily does not
> > > > formally reject licenses, as opposed to just not approving those
> > > > that are problematic (holding out the possibility of the license steward submitting revisions or improvements). I think that is actually
> > true of licenses submitted in the past several years, but I recently learned that in the distant past there were licenses the OSI actually
> > formally rejected.
> > > >
> > > > Even now, I still think NOSA 2.0 can be fixed without revising it
> > > > beyond all recognition. However, I pointed out at least one
> > > > significant problem (related, in fact, to the MXM/CC0 patent
> > > > provisions issue) and it did not seem that Bryan was receptive to
> > > > discussing it. Even if the OSI did have at least an earlier history of rejecting licenses, I believe it's true that revised versions of
> > problematic submitted licenses have generally been prepared by the license steward rather than that task being taken on by the OSI itself.
> > That is, it would be strange if the only way to get an acceptable version of NOSA 2.0 would be for the OSI to take on primary responsibility
> > for drafting it.
> > > >
> > > > Richard
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