[CAVO] Please give opinions and clarifying information on these responses
Juan E. Gilbert
juan at ufl.edu
Mon Aug 31 15:29:17 UTC 2015
When we release, we will post our source code.
Thanks,
On 8/31/15 11:26 AM, David RR Webber (XML) wrote:
> The folks actually have their source code up on GitHub:
>
> https://vote.heliosvoting.org/about
>
> https://github.com/benadida/helios-server
>
> I'm not a big fan of encryption and shuffling mechanisms WRT voting -
> as its a barrier to transparency and verification. However - having
> source code on GitHub clearly is a good thing. Not sure how much
> documentation and design detail is also there - but its a start for sure.
>
> David
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [CAVO] Please give opinions and clarifying information on
> these responses
> From: "Juan E. Gilbert" <juan at ufl.edu <mailto:juan at ufl.edu>>
> Date: Mon, August 31, 2015 9:15 am
> To: masson at opensource.org <mailto:masson at opensource.org>, CAVO
> <cavo at opensource.org <mailto:cavo at opensource.org>>
> Cc: debbryant at opensource.org <mailto:debbryant at opensource.org>
>
> Question, is there currently any open source GPL v.3 voting
> software available? I was told that when we release Prime III in
> September, it will be the first. I'm trying to confirm that true.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> On 8/29/15 3:32 PM, Juan E. Gilbert wrote:
>> Patrick, Prime III will be released, probably on GitHub, in
>> September, see http://www.knightfoundation.org/grants/201551186/
>>
>> We received a grant to release it. New Hampshire is using it
>> Statewide in 2016. So, it will be there. I'm working on the
>> finishing touches to release it.
>>
>> All of your other comments, make sense to me. I don't know Alan
>> Dechert either, but I agree, he's someone we should know. The
>> work he describes, we have done with Prime III as well.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> On 8/29/15 1:52 PM, Patrick Masson wrote:
>>> All,
>>>
>>> Here are some comments based on my initial review. I am
>>> particularly concerned with item eleven, OSET's response.
>>>
>>> 1. Clear Ballot (clearballot.com <http://clearballot.com>) is
>>> not distributed with an OSI Approved Open Source License.
>>> <http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150811_RCVBallotDesign.pdf>
>>>
>>> 2. International Voting Machines response states: "We are
>>> negotiable on certification and public review of software; not
>>> open source"
>>> <http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150818_IVM.pdf>
>>> 3. No documentation of open source claims (GPL3) for Prime III.
>>> Claims of open source license without access to code is meaningless.
>>> <http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150826_PrimeIII.pdf>
>>> 4. Statements like, "Designed so that all or part of the
>>> system’s software operates using open source software." and
>>> "Everyone Counts is based on open-source software while
>>> maintaining the security of a locked down system." are
>>> antithetical. Upon review, it could not be determined if the
>>> "eLect" software is actually distributed with an OSI Approved
>>> Open Source License.
>>> <http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150827_EC.pdf>
>>> 5, The only information provided in response to "Designed so
>>> that all or part of the system’s software operates using open
>>> source software." is "The database used by the Electionware
>>> election definition system is PostgreSQL, a scalable open source
>>> database." Obviously this does not apply to the actual election
>>> software.
>>> <http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_ES&S.pdf>
>>> 6. I do not know who Alan Dechert is but he sounds like someone
>>> CAVO should reach out to. He seems very committed.
>>> <http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_Dechert.pdf>
>>> 7. Digital Foundry's response seems to be a proposal to build a
>>> system. While they seem positively inclined toward open source,
>>> they do not state specifically that the work developed would be
>>> assigned an OSI Approved Open Source License.
>>> <http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_DigitalFoundryResponse.pdf>
>>> 8. In response to the RFI's statement, "Designed so that all or
>>> part of the system’s software operates using open source
>>> software." HartInterCivic states, "Yes. Verity is designed to
>>> use open source software." Using open source software (e.g.
>>> Linux OS, noSQL DB, etc.) is not the same as the
>>> elections/voting software being released with an OSI Approved
>>> Open Source License.
>>> <http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_Hart.pdf>
>>> 9. In response to the RFI's statement, "Designed so that all or
>>> part of the system’s software operates using open source
>>> software," Dominion Voting states, "Dominion’s Democracy Suite
>>> is designed so that parts of the system’s software operates
>>> using open source software, such as the use of Linux for the
>>> development of ImageCast optical scan tabulators. In addition,
>>> due to the fa ct that many COTS components form part of the
>>> voting system, additional system components operate on open
>>> source software, such as the Android platform used in
>>> conjunction with the ImageCast X voting terminal." Using open
>>> source software (e.g. Linux OS, Android, etc.) is not the same
>>> as the elections/voting software being released with an OSI
>>> Approved Open Source License.
>>> <http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_Dominion.pdf>
>>> 10. Galois appears to seek a contract to build a system. They
>>> make several claims, "Our products are all Open Source,
>>> customers can purchase fit-for-purpose versions, and we have a
>>> variety of support and service contracts." "We can provide
>>> evidence of these claims by simply referring evaluators to our
>>> Open Source product repositories." Looking at their prior work /
>>> GitHub repositories (<https://github.com/GaloisInc>), they
>>> appear to distribute work under the BSD license.
>>> <http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_Galois.pdf>
>>> 11. OSET has made two claims, that I am leery of: 1. that they
>>> have submitted the OSET Public License (OPL) or some other to
>>> the OSI. I am not aware of any submission for review, but have
>>> asked the OSI Board to confirm. The statement on page 9 that
>>> open source licenses "may not work for procurement regulations"
>>> and elections software requires "certain terms and conditions,"
>>> seem dubious.
>>> <http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_OSET.pdf>
>>> 12. In response to the RFI's statement, "Designed so that all or
>>> part of the system’s software operates using open source
>>> software," Clear Ballot states, "Clear Ballot is built with
>>> modern software tools, allowing the integration of many open
>>> source pieces of software in its voting system. The main
>>> programming language is Python and many of the web utilities
>>> come from open source software." Using open source software in
>>> the development of a system (e.g. Python, etc.) is not the same
>>> as the elections/voting software itself being released with an
>>> OSI Approved Open Source License.
>>> <http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_ClearBallot.pdf>
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2015-08-28 at 22:56 -0700, Brent Turner wrote:
>>>> http://sfgov2.org/index.aspx?page=4892
>>>>
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>> Andrew Banks Family Preeminence Endowed Professor & Chair
>> Computer & Information Science & Engineering Department
>> University of Florida
>> P.O. Box 116120
>> Gainesville, FL 32611
>> 352.562.0784 (V)
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>> juan at ufl.edu
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> Andrew Banks Family Preeminence Endowed Professor & Chair
> Computer & Information Science & Engineering Department
> University of Florida
> P.O. Box 116120
> Gainesville, FL 32611
> 352.562.0784 (V)
> 352.392.1220 (F)
> juan at ufl.edu
> Twitter: @DrJuanGilbert
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Andrew Banks Family Preeminence Endowed Professor & Chair
Computer & Information Science & Engineering Department
University of Florida
P.O. Box 116120
Gainesville, FL 32611
352.562.0784 (V)
352.392.1220 (F)
juan at ufl.edu
Twitter: @DrJuanGilbert
http://www.juangilbert.com/
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