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    When we release, we will post our source code. <br>
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    Thanks,<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/31/15 11:26 AM, David RR Webber
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        <div>The folks actually have their source code up on GitHub:</div>
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        <div>I'm not a big fan of encryption and shuffling mechanisms
          WRT voting - as its a barrier to transparency and
          verification.  However - having source code on GitHub clearly
          is a good thing.  Not sure how much documentation and design
          detail is also there - but its a start for sure.</div>
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        <div>David</div>
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            -------- Original Message --------<br>
            Subject: Re: [CAVO] Please give opinions and clarifying
            information on<br>
            these responses<br>
            From: "Juan E. Gilbert" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:juan@ufl.edu">juan@ufl.edu</a>><br>
            Date: Mon, August 31, 2015 9:15 am<br>
            To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:masson@opensource.org">masson@opensource.org</a>,
            CAVO <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org">cavo@opensource.org</a>><br>
            Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:debbryant@opensource.org">debbryant@opensource.org</a><br>
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            Question, is there currently any open source GPL v.3 voting
            software available? I was told that when we release Prime
            III in September, it will be the first. I'm trying to
            confirm that true.<br>
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            Thanks,<br>
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            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/29/15 3:32 PM, Juan E.
              Gilbert wrote:<br>
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              Patrick, Prime III will be released, probably on GitHub,
              in September, see <a target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                href="http://www.knightfoundation.org/grants/201551186/">http://www.knightfoundation.org/grants/201551186/</a><br>
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              We received a grant to release it. New Hampshire is using
              it Statewide in 2016. So, it will be there. I'm working on
              the finishing touches to release it.<br>
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              All of your other comments, make sense to me. I don't know
              Alan Dechert either, but I agree, he's someone we should
              know. The work he describes, we have done with Prime III
              as well.<br>
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              Thanks,<br>
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              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/29/15 1:52 PM, Patrick
                Masson wrote:<br>
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                cite="mid:1440870739.29433.51.camel@patrick-HP-EliteBook-Folio-9470m"
                type="cite"> All,<br>
                <br>
                Here are some comments based on my initial review. I am
                particularly concerned with item eleven, OSET's
                response.<br>
                <br>
                1. Clear Ballot (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://clearballot.com">clearballot.com</a>) is
                not distributed with an OSI Approved Open Source
                License.<br>
                <<a target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150811_RCVBallotDesign.pdf">http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150811_RCVBallotDesign.pdf</a>>
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                2. International Voting Machines response states: "We
                are negotiable on certification and public review of
                software; not open source"<br>
                <<a target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150818_IVM.pdf">http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150818_IVM.pdf</a>><br>
                3. No documentation of open source claims (GPL3) for
                Prime III. Claims of open source license without access
                to code is meaningless.<br>
                <<a target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150826_PrimeIII.pdf">http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150826_PrimeIII.pdf</a>><br>
                4. Statements like, "Designed so that all or part of the
                system’s software operates using open source software."
                and "Everyone Counts is based on open-source software
                while maintaining the security of a locked down system."
                are antithetical. Upon review, it could not be
                determined if the "eLect" software is actually
                distributed with an OSI Approved Open Source License.<br>
                <<a target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150827_EC.pdf">http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150827_EC.pdf</a>><br>
                5, The only information provided in response to
                "Designed so that all or part of the system’s software
                operates using open source software." is "The database
                used by the Electionware election definition system is
                PostgreSQL, a scalable open source database." Obviously
                this does not apply to the actual election software.<br>
                <<a target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_ES&S.pdf">http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_ES&S.pdf</a>><br>
                6. I do not know who Alan Dechert is but he sounds like
                someone CAVO should reach out to. He seems very
                committed.<br>
                <<a target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_Dechert.pdf">http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_Dechert.pdf</a>><br>
                7. Digital Foundry's response seems to be a proposal to
                build a system. While they seem positively inclined
                toward open source, they do not state specifically that
                the work developed would be assigned an OSI Approved
                Open Source License.<br>
                <<a target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_DigitalFoundryResponse.pdf">http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_DigitalFoundryResponse.pdf</a>><br>
                8. In response to the RFI's statement, "Designed so that
                all or part of the system’s software operates using open
                source software." HartInterCivic states, "Yes. Verity is
                designed to use open source software." Using open source
                software (e.g. Linux OS, noSQL DB, etc.) is not the same
                as the elections/voting software being released with an
                OSI Approved Open Source License.<br>
                <<a target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_Hart.pdf">http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_Hart.pdf</a>><br>
                9. In response to the RFI's statement, "Designed so that
                all or part of the system’s software operates using open
                source software," Dominion Voting states, "Dominion’s
                Democracy Suite is designed so that parts of the
                system’s software operates using open source software,
                such as the use of Linux for the development of
                ImageCast optical scan tabulators. In addition, due to
                the fa ct that many COTS components form part of the
                voting system, additional system components operate on
                open source software, such as the Android platform used
                in conjunction with the ImageCast X voting terminal."
                Using open source software (e.g. Linux OS, Android,
                etc.) is not the same as the elections/voting software
                being released with an OSI Approved Open Source License.<br>
                <<a target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_Dominion.pdf">http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_Dominion.pdf</a>><br>
                10. Galois appears to seek a contract to build a system.
                They make several claims, "Our products are all Open
                Source, customers can purchase fit-for-purpose versions,
                and we have a variety of support and service contracts."
                "We can provide evidence of these claims by simply
                referring evaluators to our Open Source product
                repositories." Looking at their prior work / GitHub
                repositories (<<a target="_blank"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="https://github.com/GaloisInc">https://github.com/GaloisInc</a>>),
                they appear to distribute work under the BSD license.<br>
                <<a target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_Galois.pdf">http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_Galois.pdf</a>><br>
                11. OSET has made two claims, that I am leery of: 1.
                that they have submitted the OSET Public License (OPL)
                or some other to the OSI. I am not aware of any
                submission for review, but have asked the OSI Board to
                confirm. The statement on page 9 that open source
                licenses "may not work for procurement regulations" and
                elections software requires "certain terms and
                conditions," seem dubious.<br>
                <<a target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_OSET.pdf">http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_OSET.pdf</a>><br>
                12. In response to the RFI's statement, "Designed so
                that all or part of the system’s software operates using
                open source software," Clear Ballot states, "Clear
                Ballot is built with modern software tools, allowing the
                integration of many open source pieces of software in
                its voting system. The main programming language is
                Python and many of the web utilities come from open
                source software." Using open source software in the
                development of a system (e.g. Python, etc.) is not the
                same as the elections/voting software itself being
                released with an OSI Approved Open Source License.<br>
                <<a target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_ClearBallot.pdf">http://sfgov2.org/ftp/uploadedfiles/elections/rfi/20150828_ClearBallot.pdf</a>><br>
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                Hope this helps,<br>
                Patrick<br>
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                On Fri, 2015-08-28 at 22:56 -0700, Brent Turner wrote:
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              <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Juan E. Gilbert, Ph.D. 
Andrew Banks Family Preeminence Endowed Professor & Chair
Computer & Information Science & Engineering Department 
University of Florida 
P.O. Box 116120 
Gainesville, FL 32611 
352.562.0784 (V)
352.392.1220 (F)
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Twitter: @DrJuanGilbert 
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            <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Juan E. Gilbert, Ph.D. 
Andrew Banks Family Preeminence Endowed Professor & Chair
Computer & Information Science & Engineering Department 
University of Florida 
P.O. Box 116120 
Gainesville, FL 32611 
352.562.0784 (V)
352.392.1220 (F)
<a moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:juan@ufl.edu">juan@ufl.edu</a>
Twitter: @DrJuanGilbert 
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Juan E. Gilbert, Ph.D. 
Andrew Banks Family Preeminence Endowed Professor & Chair
Computer & Information Science & Engineering Department 
University of Florida 
P.O. Box 116120 
Gainesville, FL 32611 
352.562.0784 (V)
352.392.1220 (F)
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