[License-review] Approval: OIN License (Open Innovation License)

Thorsten Glaser tg at mirbsd.de
Sun Dec 27 17:52:26 UTC 2020

Andrew Nassief dixit:

>Hi, the Chinese government monitors all network packets of people's IP
>included distributed software. Lots of open source software is specifically
>illegal in a communist regime and one would state that likely all the OSI
>and definition of OSD wouldn't pass the Chinese dissent test.

“dissent”? No.

But no, it’s not about that. It’s about requirements on behaviour, such
as being forced to submit patches, phoning home, etc. but your proposal
is even worse than that.

>This is at goodwill. Morally restrictive is different then being legally

Whatever “goodwill” is for each individual. But by requiring a promise
as part of a “licence”, only disclaiming legal enforceability, is only
white-washing; it’s a requirement on behaviour, bound to a man’s honour,
so it counts, and so it’s not permitted.

>If people build technology for the sake of human enslavement or harm, then


Saying “Requiring a person to do A is bad” is not the same as
requiring a person to do not-A.

Open Source is about being able to work with the work with very few
strings attached (strong copyleft stretching this a lot), and with
those strings very carefully selected. It’s not about adding more
strings, especially not those with a scope outside of the work in

>Inspiring a moral objective of ethics is a good thing that needs to be

Trying to keep the high ground by trying to argument with “morality”
yet at the same time dismissing concerns about morality enforcing
a clause in your proposal that you only write is not legally enforced
in order to attempt to pass licence review is… questionable as well.

I’m not going to waste my time trying to argue individual points any more.

<diogenese> Beware of ritual lest you forget the meaning behind it.
<igli> yeah but it means if you really care about something, don't
    ritualise it, or you will lose it. don't fetishise it, don't
    obsess. or you'll forget why you love it in the first place.

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