[License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: Resources to discourage governments from bespoke licenses?

McCoy Smith mccoy at lexpan.law
Fri Feb 28 23:01:59 UTC 2020

>>From: Nigel T <nigel.2048 at gmail.com> 
>>Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 2:20 PM
>>To: license-discuss at lists.opensource.org
>>Cc: mccoy at lexpan.law; Karan, Cem F CIV USARMY CCDC ARL (USA) <cem.f.karan.civ at mail.mil>
>>Subject: Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: Resources to discourage governments from bespoke licenses?

>>The argument that the NASA lawyer wasn’t participating is particularly annoying since he WAS participating until Fontana decided to sit on the license for years AFTER the prior list moderator had sent a recommendation from the list for the board to approve.

Looks like you're referring to Bryan Guerts (a NASA lawyer), who submitted NOSA 2.0 (not 3.0) on June 13, 2013: https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/2013-June/001944.html 
As far as I can tell, there was sporadic discussion of that license -- which included Bryan -- until it appears to have been rejected in January, 2017: https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/2017-January/002933.html

>>Whatever the merits or lack thereof of NOSA 3.0 it is ridiculous to argue that NASA didn’t put in a good faith effort to answer questions or engage.  

Do you mean NOSA 2.0?  That seems to be the one of contention, and I don't think I've ever seen a 3.0 submitted.

>>Then a board member said nah, I’m not even going to let it go for a vote.  I’m just going to sit on it for years until I can say the list recommends not to approve because the only three people left talking about it is some nobody, Richard and Bruce so the “majority” of the list is “against” and the license submitter has stopped responding.

The committee report in Jan 2017 doesn't list who voted, or what the vote was (they now at least indicate the vote), so I'm not sure how you conclude this.  I don't see that Bruce Perens was involved in any of the discussions, nor does it appear he was part of the vote in Jan 2017: https://opensource.org/minutes20170111 .

>>I’m sure I’m going to be accused of “relitigating a dead issue” but so long as the OSI doesn’t “decertify” NOSA 2.0 I don’t care anymore.  

NASA 1.3 you mean?  That's the OSI-approved one:  https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3

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