<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Brent,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As others have pointed out here, getting government to accept any open source code (voting or otherwise) is sometimes reasonably hard. The reason I took the role at OASIS is that my personal experience in helping develop and build out forge.mil showed me that procurement processes that heavily favored standards were one (of many) parts to the challenge.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If there was a standard for these voting systems backed by open source code (one of the things we are trying to advocate for with our ability to take open source projects through de jure standards recognition process), it potentially could help grease those wheels. It most likely isn’t the only thing that’s needed though - continued policy reform is critical for these areas.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Some additional information on how we try to bring open source projects through standards is here: <a href="https://github.com/oasis-open-projects/documentation/blob/master/guides/submitting-for-standards-approval.md" class="">https://github.com/oasis-open-projects/documentation/blob/master/guides/submitting-for-standards-approval.md</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 29, 2020, at 8:56 AM, sean roberts <<a href="mailto:seanroberts66@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">seanroberts66@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class="">
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Take a look at the Open Mobility Foundation <a href="https://www.openmobilityfoundation.org/" target="_blank" class="">https://www.openmobilityfoundation.org/</a> and how Los Angeles has been collaborating on this open source project. <br class="">
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My experience is that open source is a serious commitment and culture change for any organization. You need examples and models to follow. OMF is a practical, real world, current problem solving example. <br class="">
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I can make some introductions and/or explain more if you find their work interesting. <br class=""></div>
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925.980.4729 Lincoln Network, <a href="http://lincolnpolicy.org/" target="_blank" class="">LincolnPolicy.org</a><br class="">
schedule through <a href="https://calendly.com/sarob/" target="_blank" class="">https://calendly.com/sarob/</a></div>
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<div name="messageReplySection" class="">On May 29, 2020, 4:12 AM -0700, Alexander Sander <<a href="mailto:alex.sander@fsfe.org" target="_blank" class="">alex.sander@fsfe.org</a>>, wrote:<br class="">
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I am Alex, also working for FSFE.<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">Why should a government open source their code?<br class=""></blockquote>
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That's a question we received a lot during the years. Meanwhile as a<br class="">
first step we often use this short 3:37 minute video on<br class="">
<a href="https://publiccode.eu/#about" target="_blank" class="">https://publiccode.eu/#about</a> available in English, French, German,<br class="">
Italian, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, and we would love to have more<br class="">
languages. (The Open Letter there is also supported by many<br class="">
organisations whom I suspect here on the list<br class="">
<a href="https://publiccode.eu/openletter/" target="_blank" class="">https://publiccode.eu/openletter/</a> .)<br class="">
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After this initial argumentation about the "why" we often use the<br class="">
brochure: <a href="https://fsfe.org/campaigns/publiccode/brochure" target="_blank" class="">https://fsfe.org/campaigns/publiccode/brochure</a> (in English,<br class="">
German, Czech, and Brazilian Portuguese) providing some more background<br class="">
about software freedom, some examples, etc.<br class="">
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As the coordinator of this campaign I would like to give you a little<br class="">
more background information.<br class="">
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This campaign started two and half year ago with our website<br class="">
<a href="http://publiccode.eu/" target="_blank" class="">publiccode.eu</a> and an open letter. We want legislation requiring that<br class="">
publicly financed software developed for the public sector be made<br class="">
publicly available under a Free and Open Source Software licence. If it<br class="">
is public money, it should be public code as well.<br class="">
Until now, more than 28.000 individuals and more than 190 organisation<br class="">
signed our open letter. Also three administrations signed: Barcelona,<br class="">
Parliament of Asturias and Samtgemeinde Elbmarch. Also more and more<br class="">
administrations mention our demand in policy papers and parliaments vote<br class="">
in favour of Public Money, Public Code.<br class="">
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Also we have created a bunch of activities for the Free Software<br class="">
community to help. If you want to learn more about the campaign<br class="">
framework you can watch a talk by Matthias and Bonnie [1]<br class="">
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Also, if you haven't done yet, please feel free to add your signature<br class="">
and spread the word.<br class="">
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Best<br class="">
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Alex<br class="">
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[1] <a href="https://fahrplan.chaos-west.de/36c3/talk/LF3YYH/" target="_blank" class="">https://fahrplan.chaos-west.de/36c3/talk/LF3YYH/</a><br class="">
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Free Software Foundation Europe<br class="">
Schönhauser Allee 6/7, 10119 Berlin, Germany | t +49-157 923 472 12<br class="">
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