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<span style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43);">Hi all,</span></p>
<p style="text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;"><span style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43);">Since MG came up in this thread (McCoy's and Richard's recent messages),
let me offer a few quick clarifications. <b>I'd rather not split the thread while the focus is on OpenMDW</b>, so if you have questions about ModelGo itself, please join us in the MG thread.</span></p>
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<span style="text-transform: none;" role="presentation">Yes, the "Licensed Materials" definition includes Complementary Materials, but
<b>they are there to support the Model</b>. The license is meant for publishing models, as I clarified in the MG thread.</span></li><li style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43); margin: 10px 0px;">
<span style="text-transform: none;" role="presentation">MG0 has no termination clause. MG-BY has one, but it is triggered by patent litigation only, not copyright. That discussion already happened in the MG thread.</span></li><li style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43); margin: 10px 0px;">
<span style="text-transform: none;" role="presentation">I have withdrawn MG-BY-SA from review. After discussing it here I agree this question is premature: there is no reliable way to verify whether distillation happened, so copyleft for distilled models is
hard to make workable.</span></li></ol>
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<p style="text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;"><span style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43);">Now my view on OpenMDW-1.1.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;"><span style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43);">First, I am glad to see OSI and the community taking AI model licensing
seriously. I hope we will see more genuinely Open Source model licenses. Many proprietary model licenses put "Open" in their names, and that confuses people. I keep a watchlist of those in my LicenseAtlas project; the Databricks Open Model License is one example:
</span><span style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(109, 40, 217);"><a href="https://morningd.github.io/license.atlas/licenses/databricks-open-model-license" data-outlook-id="fc76e741-eab0-4988-bced-43ddb03a5f5d" style="color: rgb(109, 40, 217); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">https://morningd.github.io/license.atlas/licenses/databricks-open-model-license</a></span></p>
<p style="text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;"><span style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43);">As for the status quo: models released under MIT or Apache-2.0
(e.g., GLM, DeepSeek) are already quite satisfying to me, although I think MG and OpenMDW-1.0 are better written in some respects. (I stopped using GPT,
</span><span style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-transform: none;">after upgrading to 5.6, its guardrails refuse to help with the tedious
form-filling in my university's online systems</span><span style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43);">.)</span></p>
<p style="text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;"><span style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43);">I use AI tools every day in my research. A permissive license matters
a lot to me: it means I can trust the model and build my AI agents on it (recently an expense-reimbursement assistant) without worrying about legal disputes. I think this is also why some people in this thread feel so strongly.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;"><span style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43);">My concern with OpenMDW-1.1 is of course the copyright-termination
clause. <b>It is serious enough that I would avoid models under it.</b> As I read the license (I am not a lawyer), simply using the model means accepting it, so if I access the model through an API key, I am a licensee. Now consider a scenario:</span></p>
<p style="text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;"><span style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43);"><i>A cloud provider deploys the model and I connect through an
API. During use I find out that my inputs are being used to improve the model. Not necessarily post-training; storing my inputs in their database for RAG counts too. Because I accepted the license, I cannot pursue a copyright claim.</i></span></p>
<p style="text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;"><span style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43);"><i>By then I may have deployed the model widely inside my organization,
and switching is never free. See my GPT example. Some businesses even run quantitative trading on models.</i></span></p>
<p style="text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;"><span style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43);"><i>It could get messier: imagine I run a patent agency, and the
cloud provider takes my clients' patent content.</i></span></p>
<p style="text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;"><span style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43);">I am imagining things, and I am not a lawyer, but as a developer
this is how I would read the clause, or misread it. Either way, I would not trust models published under this license.
<b>It takes from me before I even figure out what it provides.</b></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;"><span style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43);">Here is a simple test of my own:
<b>if 99% of the world's models were released under license X, would our ecosystem be better off?</b></span></p>
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<span style="text-transform: none;" role="presentation"><b>MIT</b>: fine. Even if proprietary software free-rides on it.</span></li><li style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43); margin: 8px 0px;">
<span style="text-transform: none;" role="presentation"><b>Apache-2.0 or GPL-3.0</b>: also fine. Most people hold no patents.</span></li><li style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43); margin: 8px 0px;">
<div role="presentation"><span style="text-transform: none;"><b>OpenMDW-1.1</b>: my options would be to give up asserting my copyright, give up AI, or hope that AI companies are kind.<br>
<b>Would that be a better Open Source ecosystem?</b></span></div>
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<p style="text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;"><span style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43);">You may find this extreme. I think that is exactly why this thread
got so heated: some people look further ahead, some look at the present. My personal view is that for now, we need a good starting point, and approving one more open license hurts nothing. That is also why I stripped most clauses out of ModelGo and made MG0.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family: -apple-system, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; color: rgb(29, 29, 43);">Best,<br>
Moming Duan</span></p>
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