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<font face="Red Hat Text">Hi all,<br>
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To clarify from the SPDX side a bit: I assume we are talking about
this license: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause-LBNL.html">https://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause-LBNL.html</a><br>
<br>
This was added to the SPDX License List as of version 1.20 (so a
very, very long time ago, and likely as part of the initial
alignment with licenses found in Fedoras "good" list at that time
- figured you'd appreciate that detail, Richard!)<br>
<br>
SPDX has always made it a goal to avoid changes to license ids,
unless there are extenuating circumstances - which it does not
sound like there are here.<br>
<br>
As for the "tempatizing" - under SPDX Matching Guidelines (see
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/spdx/license-list-XML/blob/main/DOCS/license-matching-guidelines-and-templates.md">https://github.com/spdx/license-list-XML/blob/main/DOCS/license-matching-guidelines-and-templates.md</a>
) the copyright notice at the top is... a copyright notice, thus
not considered part of the license. We also have the concept of
"replaceable" text to accommodate things like names in certain
clauses, which do not make any substantive legal difference. You
can see this instantiated in the xml markup of the license here
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/spdx/license-list-XML/blob/main/src/BSD-3-Clause-LBNL.xml">https://github.com/spdx/license-list-XML/blob/main/src/BSD-3-Clause-LBNL.xml</a>
and noted by colored text on the website page. <br>
<br>
If I understand the thread correctly - SPDX has already done what
is being asked here insofar as allowing "matches".<br>
<br>
Relatedly, I just happen to chat with McCoy about OSI adopting
SPDX's matching guidelines, which would be a fanstastic step
forward. As I said to McCoy, I would highly recommend the OSI
reach out to SPDX-legal (via mailing list or contact myself and
Steve Winslow directly) in order to have a more thorough
discussion of areas of collaboration and to ensure a successful
adoption of whatever makes sense for the OSI to leverage b/c... no
point in reinventing the wheel!<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jilayne<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/23/25 11:39 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sainslie@lbl.gov">sainslie@lbl.gov</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Hi. Not a
problem. Was in use a few years before my time at LBNL
(2015) and was used by LBNL first. If it becomes more
generic regarding the copyright of the entity using it
that\u2019s fine by me. It would be nice if it could still be
called the LBNL BSD as it is a variant BSD first used and
created by LBNL.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Chris Wright <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cwright@pppl.gov"><cwright@pppl.gov></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 23, 2025 11:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Josh Berkus <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:josh.berkus@opensource.org"><josh.berkus@opensource.org></a>;
Sebastian Ainslie <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sainslie@lbl.gov"><sainslie@lbl.gov></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> License submissions for OSI review
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:license-review@lists.opensource.org"><license-review@lists.opensource.org></a>; Richard
Fontana <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rfontana@redhat.com"><rfontana@redhat.com></a>; Will Rarich
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wrarich@pppl.gov"><wrarich@pppl.gov></a>; J Lovejoy
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:opensource@jilayne.com"><opensource@jilayne.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [External] Re: [License-review] OSI
License Submission - PPPL BSD-3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am copying Sebastian at LBNL for
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<p class="MsoNormal">Long story short Sebastian, we wanted
a BSD-PPPL to copy yours, and that turned into (rightly
so) a discussion on a genericized BSD-LBNL instead of a
new copy with PPPL substituted throughout, and that
turned into just genericizing the existing listing on <a
href="http://opensource.org" moz-do-not-send="true">opensource.org</a>.
Hopefully that doesn't cause you any problems. <o:p></o:p></p>
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wrote:<br>
> Thanks for discussing this with us. I don't
actually mind the name <br>
> remaining BSD-LBNL, I agree with Richard that
sometimes the historical <br>
> aspect is actually a fun nomenclature to maintain.
My reason for <br>
> opening this discussion was instead that the text
of the license itself <br>
> contains "Lawrence Berkeley National Lab" in
several places, which needs <br>
> to be generalized to <COPYRIGHT HOLDER> or
something like that. And if <br>
> LBNL wants to keep their version with their name
specifically included, <br>
> then maybe we need a different name for the generic
version. I can talk <br>
> to LBNL if that is helpful also.<br>
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That genericization update is happening soon, the Board
just voted to <br>
authorize it.<br>
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-- Josh Berkus<br>
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