<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Hi Pam,<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>ModelGo Licenses (MG-0, MG-BY, and MG-BY-OS) clearly grant the right to create Derivative Materials, including new models developed via techniques such as distillation. As stated in Section 2.2(b), attribution is not required for internal use of generated content; the obligation only applies when generated datasets are Distributed.</div><div>This is a lightweight, attribution-style requirement that is easy to comply with, for example, by including proper credit in the dataset README, as commonly seen on: <a href="https://huggingface.co/datasets">https://huggingface.co/datasets</a></div><div>Importantly, this does not mean that the generated dataset must adopt the same license as the original model. </div><div>I recognize that attribution information may be lost over several generations\u2014just as licensing information is often lost when data is crawled from the web and later used to train models. However, it would be unreasonable to respond to this challenge by altering data licenses to allow unrestricted reuse and removal of attribution simply for the sake of convenience or ease of crawling. </div><div><br></div><div><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Even </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">though </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">the </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">question </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">of </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">who </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">owns </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">generated </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">content </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">remains </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">a </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">legal </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">issue </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">yet </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">to </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">be </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">fully </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">resolved</span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">. But i</span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">f </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">model-</span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">generated </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">content (at least when collected in significant quantities) </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">didn\u2019t </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">contain </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">knowledge </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">or reasoning patterns</span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">akin </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">to \u201c</span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">source </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">code,\u201d </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">why </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">would </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">there </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">be </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">such </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">widespread </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">enthusiasm </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">for </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">model </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">distillation? </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">We </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">don\u2019t </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">see </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">people </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">transferring </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">knowledge </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">from </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">books </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">they </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">wrote </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">in </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Word </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">into TEXT</span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">with </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">the </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">same </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">motivation. </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">A </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">more </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">fitting </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">analogy </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">is </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">users </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">copying </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">code </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">from </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">one </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">repository </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">to </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">another\u2014</span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">that, </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">to </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">me, </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">better </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">captures </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">what\u2019s </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">happening. </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">This </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">is </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">my </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">personal </span><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">opinion.</span></div><div><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Best,</span></div><div><span class="_fadeIn_m1hgl_8" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Moming</span></div><div><br></div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 15 May 2025, at 11:38\u202fAM, Pamela Chestek <pamela@chesteklegal.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
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<div><p>This appears to be an attempt at making it a restriction for
distillation or synthetic data generation, not, for example, an
individual work ("a <i><b>collection </b></i>of Output <i><b>as
a dataset</b></i>"), and I don't doubt that it's
well-intended, but I agree that the limitation on Output is
inconsistent with open source principles. It also seems
unworkable as the original Output is further reused downstream.
How would one know if the original Output is still there several
generations later?<br>
</p><p>Pam<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/14/2025 7:09 AM, Carlo Piana
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Josh,
sorry for long silence.
I think that the new version of the ModelGo license does not seem to addres=
s the concern I have expressed against it, following up on your own comment=
on output (now in 2.bb). I think that imposing anything on the output of t=
he model is against the OSD as it is a restriction on the use of the licens=
ed subject matter.
So no, I am confused at how this new text should be addressing the above co=
ncern.
In a separate thread I have expressed perplexity on certain clauses, these =
seem to have been removed, so no issue on that end.
This applies to the updated versions.
Cheers
Carlo
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feedback. Please check them when you can and make sure that your
concerns about the licenses have been addressed.
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