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Yes, confirming that the official text will be in German. Which is
why I appreciate so much your comments on the German language
version. There are translators who work specifically on legal
documents, although that may not be the kind of translator that the
submitter will use. So, as you point out, the translation may not be
careful enough, making your comments invaluable.<br>
<br>
If the license is meant for a foreign language audience, then I
think the right approach would be to write it in the target language
first and we'll cope with it on the translation side. Hopefully with
the assistance of native speakers who can help us understand any
translation nuances.<br>
<br>
Pam<br>
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<div class="moz-signature">Pamela S. Chestek
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Chair, Licensing Committee
<br>
Open Source Initiative<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/19/2024 6:14 AM, Richard Fontana
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style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Thu, Dec
19, 2024 at 4:32 AM Dirk Riehle <<a
href="mailto:dirk@riehle.org" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dirk@riehle.org</a>>
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<div dir="auto">Assuming a translation is forthcoming and
will get approved, which version will be the official one
and go on the website? The English or the German one?
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<div dir="auto">Or, framed differently: Should license
developers always work in English first, even if their
target is a non-US jurisdiction?</div>
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the precedent here was set by the LiLiQ licenses: </div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a
href="https://opensource.org/license/liliq-p-1-1"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://opensource.org/license/liliq-p-1-1</a></div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a
href="https://opensource.org/license/liliq-rplus-1-1"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://opensource.org/license/liliq-rplus-1-1</a></div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><a
href="https://opensource.org/license/liliq-r-1-1"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://opensource.org/license/liliq-r-1-1</a></div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The
official, and OSI-approved, text of those licenses is in
French, but a certified translation was provided during
the course of the license review and the website provides
that unofficial (non-OSI-approved) English text along with
the French version.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 18, 2024,
19:59 Pamela Chestek <<a
href="mailto:pamela.chestek@opensource.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">pamela.chestek@opensource.org</a>>
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<div> To be clear, this license will not be considered
submitted for review until we get a translation.<br>
<br>
Pam<br>
<br>
<div>Pamela S. Chestek <br>
Chair, Licensing Committee <br>
Open Source Initiative<br>
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<div>On 12/12/2024 8:08 PM, Pamela Chestek wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Niccolo,</p>
<p>Can you submit it with the information described
on this page? <a
href="https://opensource.org/licenses/review-process"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://opensource.org/licenses/review-process</a></p>
<p>Since this is not in English, we will also need a
certified translation of the license.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Pam Chestek<br>
Chair, License Committee<br>
Open Source Initiative<br>
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<div>On 12/11/2024 1:58 AM, Langenheim, Niccolo
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">Dear Open Source Initiative
Team,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">With this e-mail I am
submitting a new Open Source license on
behalf of my client, the city of Solingen in
Germany. The need for the new license stems
from the fact that the versatile MIT license
does not contain a limitation of liability
that is effective under German law. Even if
it is predominantly assumed in the
specialist literature that Open Source
licenses are generally subject to donation
law and therefore more favourable liability
and warranty rights apply, it has not yet
been confirmed by the courts. This results
in the risk that courts may adopt a
different legal interpretation in the event
of a dispute, with the result that the
statutory liability limitations of donation
law no longer apply. However, it is
particularly important for public law
projects of cities, municipalities, etc. to
agree a legally secure limitation of
liability that guarantees a limitation of
liability regardless of the legal
classification.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US">In order to close this gap in
the limitation of liability and at the same
time benefit from the advantages of an MIT
license, we have drafted the following
license, which, apart from an effective
limitation of liability, is based on the MIT
license:</span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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lang="EN-US">Copyright (c) <Jahr>
<Copyright Inhaber></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Jedem,
der eine Kopie dieser Software und der
zugehörigen Dokumentationsdateien (die
„Software“) erhält, wird hiermit kostenlos
die Erlaubnis erteilt, ohne Einschränkung
mit der Software zu handeln, einschließlich
und ohne Einschränkung der Rechte zur
Nutzung, zum Kopieren, Ändern,
Zusammenführen, Veröffentlichen, Verteilen,
Unterlizenzieren und/oder Verkaufen von
Kopien der Software, und Personen, denen die
Software zur Verfügung gestellt wird, dies
unter den folgenden Bedingungen zu
gestatten:</span></p>
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style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Der
obige Urheberrechtshinweis und dieser
Genehmigungshinweis müssen in allen Kopien
oder wesentlichen Teilen der Software
enthalten sein.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">DIE
AUTOREN ODER URHEBERRECHTSINHABER HAFTEN
UNBESCHRÄNKT BEI VORSATZ, ARGLISTIGER
TÄUSCHUNG, GROBER FAHRLÄSSIGKEIT, DER
VERLETZUNG VON LEIB, LEBEN ODER GESUNDHEIT
UND SOWEIT DIE HAFTUNG GESETZLICH NICHT
BESCHRÄNKT ODER AUSGESCHLOSSEN WERDEN KANN.
BEI FAHRLÄSSIGER VERLETZUNG EINER PFLICHT,
DEREN ERFÜLLUNG WESENTLICH FÜR DIE
DURCHFÜHRUNG DES VERTRAGS IST
(KARDINALPFLICHT), HAFTEN DIE AUTOREN ODER
URHEBERRECHTSINHABER DER HÖHE NACH BEGRENZT
AUF DEN SCHADEN, DER BEI VERTRAGSSCHLUSS
VORHERSEHBAR UND TYPISCH IST.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">DARÜBER
HINAUS IST EINE HAFTUNG AUSGESCHLOSSEN. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">DIE
VORSTEHENDE HAFTUNGSBESCHRÄNKUNG GILT AUCH
FÜR DIE HAFTUNG DER MITARBEITER, VERTRETER
UND ORGANE DER AUTOREN ODER
URHEBERRECHTSINHABER.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">Finally, I would like to note
that the license has been legally reviewed
by our law firm. </span></p>
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