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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Eric Schultz wrote: “I may be interpreting that wrong (IANAL) but if true that would seem to imply the license only applies to legal uses.”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Nobody can license illegal uses of software. … And Simon, I presume this also applies in Thailand.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>/Larry<span style='font-size:8.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Eric Schultz <eric@wwahammy.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 8, 2021 1:50 PM<br><b>To:</b> lrosen@rosenlaw.com<br><b>Cc:</b> License submissions for OSI review <license-review@lists.opensource.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-review] request for review of the 3D Slicer License<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Larry,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I interpret "such uses" as referring to "all ways not otherwise restricted or conditioned by this License or by law". I may be interpreting that wrong (IANAL) but if true that would seem to imply the license only applies to legal uses.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Eric<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 3:42 PM Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Eric: Read the entire provision: “<span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:#444444;background:#FCFCFC'>Licensor promises not to interfere with or be responsible for such uses by You.” /Larry</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Lawrence Rosen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>707-478-8932</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>3001 King Ranch Rd., Ukiah, CA 95482</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#0563C1'>lrosen@rosenlaw.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>LinkedIn: Lawrence Rosen</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> Eric Schultz <<a href="mailto:eric@wwahammy.com" target="_blank">eric@wwahammy.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 8, 2021 11:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>; License submissions for OSI review <<a href="mailto:license-review@lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">license-review@lists.opensource.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-review] request for review of the 3D Slicer License<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Larry,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I'm of the opinion that the AFL is not OSD compliant then.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>The issue isn't whether the user is legally required to comply with various laws but whether the licensor has an infringement claim against the user if they don't comply with applicable laws. The OSD precludes licenses from making such a claim possible.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I'm honestly surprised this is even a discussion, this seems pretty fundamental to the rights provided by the OSD and the free software definition.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Eric<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 12:44 PM Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204)'><div><div><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext style='margin-left:.5in'>Pam Chestek wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext style='margin-left:.5in'>I agree that the sentence "You further agree to use, reproduce, make derivative works of, display and distribute the Software in compliance with all applicable governmental laws, regulations and orders, including without limitation those relating to export and import control" is a field of use restriction that we have found unacceptable in the past.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>I don’t agree with this. A requirement to obey “applicable” laws is mandatory for every licensor or licensee who wants to stay out of jail. The government will (may!) enforce this provision. Here is AFL 3.0, section 15:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:#444444;background:#FCFCFC'>15) <b>Right to Use.</b> You may use the Original Work in all ways not otherwise restricted or conditioned by this License or by law, and Licensor promises not to interfere with or be responsible for such uses by You.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>/Larry<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>-----Original Message-----<br>From: License-review <<a href="mailto:license-review-bounces@lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">license-review-bounces@lists.opensource.org</a>> On Behalf Of Pamela Chestek<br>Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 9:45 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:license-review@lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">license-review@lists.opensource.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [License-review] request for review of the 3D Slicer License<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>On 6/1/2021 1:30 AM, Josh Berkus wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>> On 5/30/21 2:25 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>>>> If section B was pulled out, I would recommend that this clause <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>>>> should not be an agreement but simply inform the user that such <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>>>> obligations may exist.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>>> Oh, good catch! IIRC we have precedence of not allowing such language <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>>> considering laws differ between places and may change, and because it <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>>> doesn’t belong into a licence anyway.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>> ... also because, given a lot of the crazy laws out there, it may be <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>> impossible to be in compliance with all such laws.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>I agree that the sentence "You further agree to use, reproduce, make derivative works of, display and distribute the Software in compliance with all applicable governmental laws, regulations and orders, including without limitation those relating to export and import control" is a field of use restriction that we have found unacceptable in the past.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>Pam<o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext>Pamela S. 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Communication from the Open Source Initiative will be sent from an <a href="http://opensource.org" target="_blank">opensource.org</a> email address.<br><br>License-review mailing list<br><a href="mailto:License-review@lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">License-review@lists.opensource.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-review_lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">http://lists.opensource.org/mailman/listinfo/license-review_lists.opensource.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br clear=all><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Eric Schultz, Developer and FOSS Advocate<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://wwahammy.com" target="_blank">wwahammy.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="mailto:eric@wwahammy.com" target="_blank">eric@wwahammy.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>@wwahammy<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Pronouns: He/his/him<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Eric Schultz, Developer and FOSS Advocate<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://wwahammy.com" target="_blank">wwahammy.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:eric@wwahammy.com" target="_blank">eric@wwahammy.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>@wwahammy<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Pronouns: He/his/him<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>