<div dir="ltr"><div>Larry,</div><div><br></div><div>I interpret "such uses" as referring to "all ways not otherwise restricted or
conditioned by this License or by law". I may be interpreting that wrong (IANAL) but if true that would seem to imply the license only applies to legal uses.</div><div><br></div><div>Eric<br></div><div><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68);background:rgb(252,252,252) none repeat scroll 0% 0%"><br></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 3:42 PM Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Eric: Read the entire provision: “<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68);background:rgb(252,252,252) none repeat scroll 0% 0%">Licensor promises not to interfere with or be responsible for such uses by You.” /Larry</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Lawrence Rosen<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8pt">707-478-8932<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8pt">3001 King Ranch Rd., Ukiah, CA 95482<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:8pt;color:rgb(5,99,193)">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</span></a><span style="font-size:8pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8pt">LinkedIn: Lawrence Rosen<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Eric Schultz <<a href="mailto:eric@wwahammy.com" target="_blank">eric@wwahammy.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 8, 2021 11:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>; License submissions for OSI review <<a href="mailto:license-review@lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">license-review@lists.opensource.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-review] request for review of the 3D Slicer License<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Larry,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I'm of the opinion that the AFL is not OSD compliant then.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">The issue isn't whether the user is legally required to comply with various laws but whether the licensor has an infringement claim against the user if they don't comply with applicable laws. The OSD precludes licenses from making such a claim possible.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I'm honestly surprised this is even a discussion, this seems pretty fundamental to the rights provided by the OSD and the free software definition.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Eric<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 12:44 PM Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext" style="margin-left:0.5in">Pam Chestek wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext" style="margin-left:0.5in">I agree that the sentence "You further agree to use, reproduce, make derivative works of, display and distribute the Software in compliance with all applicable governmental laws, regulations and orders, including without limitation those relating to export and import control" is a field of use restriction that we have found unacceptable in the past.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">I don’t agree with this. A requirement to obey “applicable” laws is mandatory for every licensor or licensee who wants to stay out of jail. The government will (may!) enforce this provision. Here is AFL 3.0, section 15:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68);background:rgb(252,252,252) none repeat scroll 0% 0%">15) <b>Right to Use.</b> You may use the Original Work in all ways not otherwise restricted or conditioned by this License or by law, and Licensor promises not to interfere with or be responsible for such uses by You.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">/Larry<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">-----Original Message-----<br>From: License-review <<a href="mailto:license-review-bounces@lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">license-review-bounces@lists.opensource.org</a>> On Behalf Of Pamela Chestek<br>Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 9:45 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:license-review@lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">license-review@lists.opensource.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [License-review] request for review of the 3D Slicer License<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">On 6/1/2021 1:30 AM, Josh Berkus wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">> On 5/30/21 2:25 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">>>> If section B was pulled out, I would recommend that this clause <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">>>> should not be an agreement but simply inform the user that such <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">>>> obligations may exist.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">>> Oh, good catch! IIRC we have precedence of not allowing such language <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">>> considering laws differ between places and may change, and because it <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">>> doesn’t belong into a licence anyway.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">> ... also because, given a lot of the crazy laws out there, it may be <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">> impossible to be in compliance with all such laws.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">I agree that the sentence "You further agree to use, reproduce, make derivative works of, display and distribute the Software in compliance with all applicable governmental laws, regulations and orders, including without limitation those relating to export and import control" is a field of use restriction that we have found unacceptable in the past.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">Pam<u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="gmail-m_6456148773855865728gmail-m4410170686465300118msoplaintext">Pamela S. 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