<div dir="ltr"><div>jam is in Fedora, using the logic that the term "use" combined with the requirement to mark modifications implied a permission to modify.</div><div><br></div><div>There is exactly one package currently in Fedora that requires jam: lincity-ng.</div><div><br></div><div>~spot<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 3:53 PM Richard Fontana <<a href="mailto:rfontana@redhat.com">rfontana@redhat.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 1:14 PM McCoy Smith <mccoy@lexpan.law> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Given that this license does not grant the right to modify (or in US law<br>
> parlance, make derivative works), I wonder if it fails OSD 3. I think it<br>
> does, although perhaps it impliedly grants a modification right by saying<br>
> that "modifications" must be marked even though it doesn't grant the right<br>
> to make modifications?<br>
> There are other issues with this one (patent rights, which I think recently<br>
> OSI likes to see something like an express license) and the effectiveness of<br>
> the warranty disclaimer, but if it fails the OSD, it is not approvable.<br>
<br>
I don't know the history or usage of this particular license, but<br>
there are what must be many hundreds of legacy licenses similar to<br>
this one that have been treated as equivalent to simple permissive<br>
FOSS licenses. They are found in packages regarded as "open source" in<br>
all mainstream Linux distributions (many of them licensed under the<br>
GPL or LGPL).<br>
<br>
Based on some quick research I don't think the Fedora argyllcms<br>
package makes use of jam but someone can correct me if that's wrong.<br>
It didn't seem as though jam was in Fedora other than as part of<br>
boost.<br>
<br>
The approach Fedora, and I think the other Linux distributions with<br>
similar licensing policies, have taken is to treat charitably<br>
sufficiently old licenses that context suggests were meant to grant<br>
permissions equivalent to what we'd regard as FOSS today, but which<br>
may have been drafted naively to refer (for example) to "use" and not<br>
explictly grant (for example) a right to prepare derivative works. In<br>
other words, it is arguably not practical or appropriate to apply<br>
present-day drafting standards to licenses from a sufficiently early<br>
era in the history of FOSS licensing. If you say licenses of this sort<br>
are not open source, that would mean that many packages assumed to be<br>
open source are actually only partly open source, and perhaps even<br>
embody some sort of FOSS license violation. In this case it is clear<br>
from the license text that "use" was meant to encompass permission to<br>
modify.<br>
<br>
There are other cases where legacy licenses have later come to be seen<br>
as non-FOSS, the best example of which may be the Sun RPC license.<br>
(See: <a href="https://spot.livejournal.com/315383.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://spot.livejournal.com/315383.html</a>) But those are cases<br>
where it is impossible to read the license as being consistent with<br>
normative definitions of FOSS.<br>
<br>
I don't know if OSI should start granting legacy approval to the large<br>
numbers of licenses of this sort, but I see some benefits to moving<br>
OSI approval closer to the reality of how "open source" is understood<br>
in the community.<br>
<br>
The strongest objection I see to granting legacy approval here is why<br>
the OSI should start with *this* license when there are plenty of<br>
others in the same category that are probably more frequently<br>
encountered.<br>
<br>
Richard<br>
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> > -----Original Message-----<br>
> > From: License-review <<a href="mailto:license-review-bounces@lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">license-review-bounces@lists.opensource.org</a>> On<br>
> > Behalf Of Jack Hill<br>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 2:34 PM<br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:license-review@lists.opensource.org" target="_blank">license-review@lists.opensource.org</a><br>
> > Subject: [License-review] Legacy Approval, Licnese of Jam<br>
> ><br>
> > As a licensee of Jam, I'm asking for legacy approval of the following<br>
> > terms:<br>
> ><br>
> > """<br>
> > License is hereby granted to use this software and distribute it freely,<br>
> as long<br>
> > as this copyright notice is retained and modifications are clearly marked.<br>
> ><br>
> > ALL WARRANTIES ARE HEREBY DISCLAIMED.<br>
> > """<br>
> ><br>
> > This is the license used by Jam [0] and its forks [1][2][3] (n.b. the<br>
> boost<br>
> > version is also distributed under the Boost license). Outside of Boost, I<br>
> don't<br>
> > believe this build tool is widely used. However, it is needed to build at<br>
> least<br>
> > one important open source package: the Argyll Color Management System.<br>
> > Argyll is the only open source package that I know of that can generate<br>
> color<br>
> > calibration profiles, so it is critically important for the use of open<br>
> source<br>
> > software in fields where that is important.<br>
> ><br>
> > I believe that the proliferation category for this license is<br>
> > Other/Miscellaneous.<br>
> ><br>
> > In other discussions [4] I've had about this license, the problematic<br>
> points<br>
> > were what "distribute freely" meant, and how modifications could be<br>
> clearly<br>
> > marked. The Argyll fork of Jam marks modifications as follows:<br>
> ><br>
> > """<br>
> > This if "Argyll-Jam", a simple derivative of the "FT-Jam" build tool,<br>
> based and<br>
> > 100% compatible with Jam 2.5. See <a href="http://www.freetype.org/jam/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.freetype.org/jam/</a> for more<br>
> > details about FT-Jam.<br>
> ><br>
> > This is the "FT-Jam" 2.5.2 release, with minor ArgyllCMS tweaks, and the<br>
> > ArgyllCMS V1.3.3 Jambase as the default rule set.<br>
> ><br>
> > Note that you'll find the original Jam README in the file <a href="http://README.ORG" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">README.ORG</a> """<br>
> ><br>
> > [0] <a href="https://www.perforce.com/documentation/jam-documentation" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.perforce.com/documentation/jam-documentation</a><br>
> > [1] <a href="https://www.freetype.org/jam/index.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.freetype.org/jam/index.html</a><br>
> > [2] <a href="http://www.argyllcms.com/doc/Compiling.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.argyllcms.com/doc/Compiling.html</a><br>
> > [3]<br>
> > <a href="https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_76_0/tools/build/doc/html/index.html#b" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_76_0/tools/build/doc/html/index.html#b</a><br>
> > bv2.jam<br>
> > [4] <a href="https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2021-04/msg00436.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2021-04/msg00436.html</a><br>
> ><br>
> > Best,<br>
> > Jack<br>
> ><br>
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