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    There are lots of lawyers on the list; if any thought that the
    position had merit I would have expected that person to pipe up.
    Given that it's a position that appears to be held by one person,
    and that no one else, lawyer and non-lawyer alike, has expressed
    support for (only musing about what the theory might possibly be),
    and there have been a number of logical arguments why it can't be
    true, I don't see paying someone as a good use of financial
    resources. We manage to sort out all the other legal tangles without
    paying a lawyer.<br>
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    Fedora considers it acceptable:
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main#Good_Licenses">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main#Good_Licenses</a><br>
    The FSF finds it acceptable and compatible with the GNU GPL:
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#Unlicense">https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#Unlicense</a><br>
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    I'm not jumping off a cliff because others have, but then they
    appear to have landed safely.<br>
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    Pam<br>
    <br>
    Pamela S. Chestek<br>
    Chestek Legal<br>
    PO Box 2492<br>
    Raleigh, NC 27602<br>
    919-800-8033<br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com">pamela@chesteklegal.com</a><br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.chesteklegal.com">www.chesteklegal.com</a><br>
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    On 5/15/2020 10:25 AM, Eric Schultz wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="auto">May I propose that we could end this discussion if
        OSI could pay for an hour or two of an open source-experienced
        European copyright attorney's time?
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        <div dir="auto">It seems to be in OSI's interest to not promote
          a license that may have a pitfall in it and, while the
          discussion has been passionate and well-intentioned, it all
          seems to obscure the fact that none of us seem to really know
          the answer.</div>
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        <div dir="auto">Eric </div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 15, 2020, 8:32 AM
          Pamela Chestek <<a href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com"
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            <div>On 5/15/2020 9:27 AM, Simon Phipps wrote:<br>
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                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 15, 2020
                    at 1:34 PM Langley, Stuart <<a
                      href="mailto:Stuart.Langley@disney.com"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
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                          <div>The issue this creates is that the author
                            can’t make a valid transfer to the public
                            domain.  Transfers are not allowed.  The
                            author’s completely clear and unambiguous
                            intent to transfer does not change that. The
                            only option is to license sufficient
                            rights.  Without a license, even if the
                            author does not assert copyright, their
                            heirs might.</div>
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                  <div>OSI has previously advised that "public domain"
                    does not qualify as open source because exactly this
                    sort of issue, varying in scope and consequence
                    globally, prevents developers from being sure they
                    have the necessary rights without consulting another
                    person first. See <a
                      href="https://opensource.org/node/878"
                      target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://opensource.org/node/878</a></div>
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            The difference with the Unlicense is that it <i>also</i>
            clearly states what rights are granted. Does that not
            resolve any concern with the Unlicense?<br>
            <br>
            Pam<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            Pamela S. Chestek<br>
            Chestek Legal<br>
            PO Box 2492<br>
            Raleigh, NC 27602<br>
            919-800-8033<br>
            <a href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com" target="_blank"
              rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">pamela@chesteklegal.com</a><br>
            <a href="http://www.chesteklegal.com" target="_blank"
              rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">www.chesteklegal.com</a><br>
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