<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Bruce,<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 10:13 AM Bruce Perens via License-review <<a href="mailto:license-review@lists.opensource.org">license-review@lists.opensource.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Why would a clean-room procedure be necessary? It's Open Source software, and everyone has the right to read it. <br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div> You are right, everyone has the right to read the software. They actually have a lot more rights than that; the license grant is in section 2 of the CAL.</div><div><br></div><div>As for the characterization as a clean room procedure, you described a bunch of steps, which I attempted to summarize as a clean room procedure. I can't see why all the different steps and caveats described would be necessary otherwise. But I am not going to comment on the proposed effectiveness of some steps presented without context on an internet mailing list. Thus: could someone create a procedure to [accomplish whatever it was that you were trying to describe accomplishing]? Hypothetically yes. Practically, it all depends, so it is impossible to say based upon a made-up scenario.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>Let's make sure I have this straight. You can't write other Open Source software that is compatible with Holochain, under any license but the CAL, because only software under the CAL license has a license to the patents?<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You asked if there was something else other than the CAL that would help protect the Holochain commons. The answer to that is yes, from an entirely unsurprising application of patent law. I also noted that means for that patent to be licensed to others was also built into the CAL, and so it ends up strengthening the commons rather than weakening it.</div><div><br></div><div>
Perhaps I am reading too much into what you were saying. I have tried to be straightforward, but this appears to be attempts to play "gotcha," rather than an inquiry into the substantive changes in Beta 4.
</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div>Van<br></div><div> </div></div></div>