<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 4:04 PM Pamela Chestek <<a href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com">pamela@chesteklegal.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">So what I hear is "duffers not welcome." My point is not a question of<br>
knowing what the license is, but a matter of meeting its obligations.<br>
With the CAL I have to make source code available simply because I went<br>
into an app repository and installed a non-interactive widget that will<br>
be viewed publicly. There is no other license that requires that (Van's<br>
extreme view of the AGPL notwithstanding).<br>
<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Sorry but your conclusion is not correct:</div><div><br></div><div>1. Your obligation doesn't arise with downloading the code, but rather because you are putting it in your website where it gets distributed to viewers of your website. This is stuff every web developer needs to know to do their job.<br></div><div>2. I for one certainly wish that copyright legislation was more friendly to duffers (I don't know what that word means, really...) and less biased to favor big corporations who use every opportunity to maximize their powers. But I don't see how any of this is Van's fault.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm assuming here that your example is the common case of embedding a piece of JavaScript in your website to create such a widget. Your example could be used to criticize every open source license down to 3-clause BSD, as they all create some legal obligation to the web developer in your example.<br></div><div><br></div><div>If instead your intent was to criticize CAL's use of words like "aspect" and "perceptible", then I''m fully with you because I think those seem like attempts of claiming rights beyond the licensed code. (And in particular, there may be a goal of preventing compatible competing clean room implementations.) But if this is the case then your example needs to make it clearer that you're describing a case where no code was transmitted to users of your website. (Perhaps using some other word than widget is a start.)</div><div><br></div><div>For example: Your website has a red background and the code you used for it is licensed under the CAL. My website also has a red background. Did I make an aspect of your website perceptible on my website? <br></div><div><br></div><div>henrik<br clear="all"></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><a href="mailto:henrik.ingo@avoinelama.fi" target="_blank">henrik.ingo@avoinelama.fi</a><br>+358-40-5697354 skype: henrik.ingo irc: hingo<br><a href="http://www.openlife.cc" target="_blank">www.openlife.cc</a><br><br>My LinkedIn profile: <a href="http://fi.linkedin.com/pub/henrik-ingo/3/232/8a7" target="_blank">http://fi.linkedin.com/pub/henrik-ingo/3/232/8a7</a></div></div>