<div dir="ltr">Pam succumbed to an automatic mailing address book faux pas. People you frequently discuss with via a mailing list tend to appear in your automatic address book as the list rather than their actual email address. I have done this before as well. I replied without examining the address.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:36 PM Bruce Perens <<a href="mailto:bruce@perens.com">bruce@perens.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Oh how the heck did I do this. This message was not meant for the list and I am still trying to figure out how my mailer turned a reply to all.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:32 PM Bruce Perens <<a href="mailto:bruce@perens.com" target="_blank">bruce@perens.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 11:40 AM Pamela Chestek <<a href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com" target="_blank">pamela@chesteklegal.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
On 8/23/2019 2:21 PM, Bruce Perens via License-review wrote:<br>> Proposed where? That's not the only possible use case for the license itself as far as I can see. If it was, then it would make more sense to me.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Van attempts to rationalize the data terms (and I am fine with calling them data terms) as a logical implication of copyleft. We must share the data as we share the source, or the program can't be run by everyone. I don't find this a valid argument and would not blame you for finding it confusing.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Using my website example, I have a contact form widget. People can submit data through it but I can certainly run the widget without anyone ever contacting me.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>The entire purpose here is to run a distributed application hosting network (holo.host) that allows peers to put up their own hosts and gain some sort of credit for operating them. The purpose of the questionable license term is that they don't want to have people sequester user data which they won't share with the rest of the peers - which would mean that only hosts that have your data would be able to participate on your behalf, rather than the whole network. This is all fine, but it's not Open Source as defined. Nothing in the OSD is intended to keep people from partitioning a network for their own purposes, even if such purposes are generally considered to be hostile, nor should it be. And building license terms that guarantee such a peer to peer network can run is a fine goal, although I doubt they have yet encountered all of the challenges such a license must defend from, and this will be an iterative process. When they get reasonably far, they should make a manifesto and give it a name. It's not the Open Source brand.</div><div><br></div><div>I would encourage you to keep participating as much as you wish, despite the fact that this is exactly what I am criticized for. I just can't see a way to do this fairly without free discussion, especially since IMO Van is wont to use rhetorical devices, semantics, and in general divert from what we should be discussing. I am also finding Simon's participation difficult, in that he tends to post his arguments in shorthand without enough basis to really understand them.</div><div><br></div><div> Thanks</div><div><br></div><div> Bruce</div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_-2453301377303008883gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Bruce Perens - Partner, <a href="http://OSS.Capital" target="_blank">OSS.Capital</a>.</div></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Bruce Perens - Partner, <a href="http://OSS.Capital" target="_blank">OSS.Capital</a>.</div></div></div></div>