<div dir="ltr"><div>Josh,</div><div><br></div><div>OK, you are trying to say that the user stupidly trusted their geospatial data to you, and you won't give it back, and that's the problem the software license should protect the user from.</div><div><br></div><div>At the risk of being flip, it's not our responsibility to protect the user from their own conduct. In a broader context, there is a perception that the user can not function in modern society without providing their data to software-as-a-service providers, and they can't do so in a way that they could retain a copy or get it back by themselves. But I am still having a hard time seeing their incapability of preserving their own access to their own data as a factual statement.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:18 PM Bruce Perens <<a href="mailto:bruce@perens.com">bruce@perens.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:41 PM Josh Berkus <<a href="mailto:josh@berkus.org" target="_blank">josh@berkus.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
As an example, imagine that I have a geodata processing program, which I<br>
support by running a hosted version, and all user data is PK-encrypted<br>
using a key only I control. If the software is under the GPL (because<br>
it depends on, say, PostGIS), the user still doesn't have the freedom to<br>
run the software themselves unless they are willing to recreate all of<br>
their data. The CAL would protect user freedom in this case.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Maybe I will understand this if you state it better. It sounds like you own the data, it's under your key, and you are arguing that if you used another license you would be forced to provide the data to others, and that this would be a good thing. One would think that the user would have the freedom to create their own geospatial data as you did. The way you state it, it sounds like the user should have a right to work that you did, arbitrarily. Perhaps you can explain this more clearly?</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div>