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    It was phrased that way because we didn't know whether you would be
    interested in resubmitting and OSI wouldn't be starting theoretical
    conversations just for the heck of it.  So the thought was that if
    you are interested in resubmitting you could get the ball rolling on
    the conversation, since you have the greatest interest in ensuring
    OSI has enough information to reach a conclusion. But anyone else
    could too. Honestly, I was expecting people to already be expressing
    opinions on these issues, I think they're really interesting and
    thought-provoking. But what do I know!<br>
    <br>
    Personally, what I wanted to see was more people who might agree
    with you and make a persuasive case that these choices are
    consistent with open source principles - you didn't have a lot of
    allies, and maybe because there aren't any, but I couldn't tell. I
    also wanted to see reasoned explanations from both sides why the
    choices do or don't enhance the availability of software. For
    example, there seems to be a belief that a very strong copyleft is
    counterproductive and therefore harms software freedom. If that's
    true, and a basis for therefore saying a license isn't "open
    source," how do we know where the line is?<br>
    <br>
    Saying again for clarity, all my personal opinion! Not speaking for
    OSI.<br>
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    Pam<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-signature">Pamela S. Chestek<br>
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      On 6/27/2019 6:03 PM, VanL wrote:<br>
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        <div>Thank you for the work and concrete feedback. While I do
          not necessarily agree with the objections raised, I appreciate
          that they are legitimate concerns and were raised in good
          faith. Please expect a revision to the CAL to be resubmitted.</div>
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        <div>One point of clarification: What does "elicit further
          discussion" mean, exactly? The way this is phrased it sounds
          like it is my responsibility to make sure that other people
          take the time to express their opinions.</div>
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        <div>Thank you,</div>
        <div>Van</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 8:03
          AM Pamela Chestek <<a
            href="mailto:pamela.chestek@opensource.org"
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          wrote:<br>
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          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Below is the License Review
            Committee's recommendation to the OSI Board on the
            Cryptographic Autonomy License.<br>
            <br>
            You will see that there is a section titled "Open
            Questions." If list members would like to discuss these
            topics, please have the conversation on the License-Discuss
            list.<br>
            <br>
            Pam<br>
            <br>
            Pamela Chestek<br>
            Chair, License Review Committee<br>
            Open Source Initiative<br>
            <br>
            License: Cryptographic Autonomy License (as captured 8 May
            2019, Exhibit A)<br>
            Submitted: April 22, 2019: 
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            Decision due no later than the first Board meeting after
            June 21, 2019<br>
            <br>
            License Review Committee Recommendation: <br>
            <br>
            Resolved that it is the opinion of the OSI that the
            Cryptographic Autonomy License does not conform to the OSD
            and assure software freedom and the license is therefore not
            approved. The license submitter is invited to submit a new
            draft for consideration by the OSI after revision. See
            [link] for rationale document.<br>
            <br>
            <u>Rationale Document</u><br>
            <br>
            <u>Reasons for withholding approval:</u><br>
            <br>
            <ol>
              <li>Specific provision for GDPR: The license makes special
                accommodations for those who must comply with General
                Data Protection Regulation (EU) 2016/679 ("GDPR") Arts.
                15(3) and 20(1) but does not make those same
                accommodations for those who may be obliged to comply
                with similar requirements found in other data privacy
                laws. An additional permission or restriction granted
                specifically for a particular class or group is, on its
                face, non-compliance with OSD5/6. However, the license
                submitter said that this provision will be removed if it
                is the remaining issue.
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              </li>
              <li>The mechanism of “public performance”: The health of
                an open source software project relies on a predictable
                and consistent understanding of what the license permits
                and what it requires for compliance. However, this
                license uses a term specific to US law, which is “public
                performance.” The use of of a term found only in one
                jurisdiction’s body of law leads to the possibility of
                highly disparate outcomes under other legal systems. The
                license submitter suggests that public performance
                “appears analogous” to the EU concept of communication
                to the public,
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                however, there is no reason to believe an EU court would
                find that the words “public performance” mean the same
                thing as “communication to the public” or that an EU
                court would view “communication to the public” as
                applying to APIs in the same way that the license
                submitter posits “public performance” does under US law.
                (A number of commenters on license-review also disagreed
                with the license submitter’s belief that under US law
                the right of public performance will extend to the use
                of APIs.) The submitter argues that the term is defined
                in the license and therefore does not rely on local
                interpretation,
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                However, the definition does rely on copyright law for
                scope (“‘Public Performance’ (or ‘Publicly Performing’)
                means using the Software to take any action that
                implicates the rights of public performance or public
                display of a work under copyright law, ...”). The high
                likelihood that the license would be interpreted in
                significantly different ways in different legal
                jurisdictions militates against its approval. Although
                the CAL is not, by any means, a “crayon” license, it has
                the potential for the same negative consequence, which
                is unpredictable interpretation.</li>
            </ol>
            <u>Open questions</u><br>
            <br>
            The above are the reasons that the license has not been
            approved and the submitter is encouraged to revise and
            resubmit the license. However, there are also additional
            issues raised during the discussion of the license that
            merit further community input and discussion before the
            license would be approved. These issues are:<br>
            <br>
            1.    <u>Scope of copyleft</u>.<br>
            Until now, the principle of copyleft has only been applied
            to literal code, not APIs. The license submitter’s proposal
            is for a copyleft effect that would apply to new
            implementations of the API even when the underlying has been
            written from scratch.
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href="http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/2019-April/004056.html"
              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/2019-April/004056.html</a>.
            The license also makes this extension even if the legal
            system would not extend copyright (and therefore copyleft)
            so far. During the license-review process some commentators
            objected to this extension of the copyleft principle this
            far. However, the license review committee does not believe
            that there was sufficient discussion representing all points
            of view on the license-review list and so does not reject
            the license for this reason. The license submitter should
            also be aware that the OSI was a signatory on a brief
            submitted to the U.S. Supreme Court advocating against the
            copyrightability of APIs. APIs are also known to be outside
            the scope of copyright under European law. We are
            consequently uncomfortable endorsing an application of
            copyright law to APIs in any form without further
            discussion.<br>
            <br>
            2.    <u>At what point the licensor can oblige licensee
              behavior</u>. <br>
            The trigger for meeting license obligations can differ
            across licenses. The most common, almost universal trigger,
            is distribution of software. The AGPL license triggers upon
            allowing network interaction with modified software. The CAL
            license implements a new trigger, which is the obligation to
            make unmodified software available to anyone interacting
            with an interface for the software. In other words, someone
            might install a program that allows for interaction with the
            website (perhaps providing a webform to sign up for a
            newsletter) and would now be obliged to make the source code
            available to any person who filled out the webform.
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            The License Review Committee does not believe that there has
            been adequate airing of this issue from a variety of
            viewpoints on the license-review discussion about this
            aspect of the license, so has not reached a conclusion about
            at what point imposing license obligations is appropriate. <br>
            <br>
            3.    <u>A license that requires data portability</u>. <br>
            Section 2.3(b) obliges the user of a software to “provide to
            any third party with which you have an enforceable legal
            agreement, a no-charge copy … of the User Data in your
            possession in which that third party has a Lawful Interest
            ….” The license submitter confirmed in this sequence of
            emails that the intent of this provision is to expand the
            scope of software freedom: <br>
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            <br>
            The members of the License Review Committee do not agree
            whether this is appropriate for an open source license. It
            therefore requires extensive additional public discussion
            before the OSI will be able to reach a conclusion on this
            point.<br>
            <br>
            If the license submitter is interested in resubmitting this
            license for review, the license review committee recommends
            eliciting additional, more diverse discussion on these
            points on the license-discuss list prior to its
            resubmission.<br>
            <br>
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            <div class="gmail-m_-8836674767220522735moz-cite-prefix">On
              4/22/2019 2:43 PM, VanL wrote:<br>
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                        <div>I'd like to thank everyone who provided
                          feedback on earlier drafts of the
                          Cryptographic Autonomy License (CAL). Since we
                          presented the draft license in February, we
                          have received hundreds of comments and
                          suggestions, all of which have helped us
                          fine-tune the license.</div>
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                        <div>We now present the CAL 1.0-Beta for
                          approval at the next board meeting:</div>
                        <div>  Google Docs link: <a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sWUREQN02YJ-q91gXOCflRB57Q1YcU1G7UMS_a8WOTI/edit#"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sWUREQN02YJ-q91gXOCflRB57Q1YcU1G7UMS_a8WOTI/edit#</a></div>
                        <div>  PDF Link: <a
                            href="https://www.processmechanics.com/static/CAL-1.0-Beta.pdf"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.processmechanics.com/static/CAL-1.0-Beta.pdf</a>
                          <br>
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                        <div>The CAL is still open for revision until it
                          is approved by the Board, and the links above
                          will be updated as appropriate. <br>
                        </div>
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                        </div>
                        <div>I also refer everyone here again to the
                          blog post describing the legal foundations of
                          the license (<a
href="https://www.processmechanics.com/2019/03/15/the-cryptographic-autonomy-license/"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.processmechanics.com/2019/03/15/the-cryptographic-autonomy-license/</a>)
                          as well as the discussion on license-discuss,
                          summarized by Lukas Atkinson here: <a
href="http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org/2019-April/020394.html"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-discuss_lists.opensource.org/2019-April/020394.html</a><br>
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                        <div>Thanks,<br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Van<br>
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