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<!-- BlackBerry Work Editable Body Start -->1. Pointing out that NOSA was held up for 3 years by Richard is not “attacking the messenger” but a criticism of his actions as moderator. Neither Richard nor Bruce are beyond reproach and I hope that the criticisms
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<div>Bringing up their positions of authority is another sort of fallacy though.</div>
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<div>2. I am unaffiliated with NOSA except as a user of and contributor to NOSA licensed software. </div>
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<div>I have stated this many many times over the years that I have been on this list.</div>
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<div>And as an individual member of the OSI I am allowed to disagree with the assessment of Richard and Bruce on L-R without this disagreement being described as “attacking the messenger”.</div>
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<div>3. My agenda is mostly limited to wishing that we have more GOSS. </div>
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<div>If government lawyers believe they have a requirement for X and without X they won’t recommend open sourcing then providing them a license that provides X results in more open source code. This is a good thing as long as X minimally meets the OSD.</div>
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<div>Reducing the friction from when someone has the desire to open source to finally having approval for releasing the code to GitHub is a good thing. </div>
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<div>Make the process harder and more time consuming and less code makes it through the process. This is a bad thing.</div>
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<div>What other agenda are you insinuating that I have?</div>
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4. I have no assumption that many developers are not pro-copyleft. It is annoying that you would try to put words in my mouth. I stated that I prefer permissive licenses as these provide more freedom for developers to reuse code.<br>
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Henrik, this is the kind of behavior that makes folks leave the list. I am not your enemy nor am I the enemy of Richard or Bruce. I have stated before and will again that I hold them in the highest regard. </div>
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<div>But I don’t put them on any pedestal either. </div>
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<div>ObDis speaking for myself...</div>
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<div><b>From: </b><span>Henrik Ingo <<a href="mailto:henrik.ingo@avoinelama.fi">henrik.ingo@avoinelama.fi</a>></span></div>
<div><b>Date: </b><span>Monday, May 27, 2019, 9:52 AM</span></div>
<div><b>To: </b><span>License submissions for OSI review <<a href="mailto:license-review@lists.opensource.org">license-review@lists.opensource.org</a>></span></div>
<div><b>Cc: </b><span>license-discuss@lists.opensource.org <<a href="mailto:license-discuss@lists.opensource.org">license-discuss@lists.opensource.org</a>></span></div>
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<div class="PlainText">On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 9:31 PM Tzeng, Nigel H. <Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu> wrote:<br>
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> I hope and believe that i have not engaged in any ad-hom attacks. If I have then I apologize.<br>
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> That said, I don’t believe that stating my perception that you two dominate the list is ad-hom.<br>
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Considering that one has been acting as the board appointed license<br>
review chair, and the other is the founder of the organization and<br>
author of the OSD, your comments certainly come across as attacking<br>
the messenger. In any case, the have not helped advance your agenda<br>
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More generally, the amount of list activity from Richard and Bruce<br>
seems to correlate with the amount of hours they spend reviewing, for<br>
free, details of the submitted licenses, historical precedent, and<br>
wider community implications and connections. Their influence is<br>
proportional to the work they contribute. This is how the open source<br>
community works elsewhere too.<br>
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> My issue and frustration has been the lack of acceptance that GOSS has its own needs and that special purpose licenses are a category where these needs can be safely met without necessarily setting precedence for other open source domains.<br>
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You are associated with the NASA license, right? Also in that case the<br>
very specific reasons the license is not acceptable have been clearly<br>
explained to you, and claiming that the problem is a lack of<br>
understanding or appreciation of your government doesn't correctly<br>
summarize those reasons.<br>
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> The call for de-listing existing licenses also makes me very uncomfortable as most likely the special purpose licenses are the ones that will get targeted.<br>
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That's not what that discussion is about. But your concern is<br>
certainly justified, I think we all share it. The topic as a whole is<br>
troublesome.<br>
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> It is true that I am much more pro-developer vs pro-user in as much as I lean toward permissive licenses providing more developer freedom and less interested in further extending the bounds of copyleft which curtails developer freedom.<br>
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Your assumption that vast hordes of developers aren't strongly<br>
pro-copyleft is also mistaken.<br>
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