<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Martijn,</span></font></div><br></div><div dir="ltr">Welcome! Thank you for sharing your perspective.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cheers,</div><div dir="ltr">Sean</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 10:03:51 +0000</span><br><span>From: Martijn Verburg <<a href="mailto:martijnverburg@gmail.com">martijnverburg@gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>To: License submissions for OSI review</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:license-review@lists.opensource.org">license-review@lists.opensource.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: [License-review] Encouraging discussion around the</span><br><span> technicalities of licensing</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:CAP7YuAT64bZoEQUp3kxQ2ZFHaoYq2sKCD48qr7Cb=S7yJpf7yQ@mail.gmail.com">CAP7YuAT64bZoEQUp3kxQ2ZFHaoYq2sKCD48qr7Cb=S7yJpf7yQ@mail.gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><span>Hi all,</span><br><span></span><br><span>*Background Disclaimer* - I sit on a fair number of industry body boards,</span><br><span>community groups, steering committees etc around the Java ecosystem - so</span><br><span>I'm biased in how I perceive communication.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I?m a newcomer to this list and I?ve mostly been in ?read-only? mode so I</span><br><span>can figure out what the list norms are. There is one aspect that I feel as</span><br><span>a collective we could do a little better on, I'll try to explain below.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I?ve seen some really excellent messages and threads clearly explaining why</span><br><span>a license proposal fails a particular OSD clause. It?s been truly</span><br><span>insightful stuff and it's the sort of communication that really makes the</span><br><span>OSI stand out as an entity!</span><br><span></span><br><span>I?ve also seen quite a fair bit of emotive/hostile language used, even</span><br><span>against folks who are new here and come in good faith (yes I feel we should</span><br><span>assume good faith in the first instance). I understand why OSS licensing</span><br><span>and discussions around software freedoms bring out strong feelings, these</span><br><span>topics *matter* and have far-reaching impacts on our industry and even</span><br><span>(dare I say it) our society as a whole.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I?d very much like to see the OSI continue to be held in high regard, whose</span><br><span>members defend the OSD principles with reasoned arguments and even offer</span><br><span>guidance to license authors on how they can meet those principles. I think</span><br><span>if we focus on that in this list we'll get better long term results for the</span><br><span>OSI and the defense of the OSD clauses.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Right, now that I've committed the mailing list sin of the newcomer telling</span><br><span>everyone how to behave.... :-) - I'll happily take</span><br><span>comments/questions/feedback and even some sticks and stones ;-).</span><br><span></span><br><span>Cheers,</span><br><span>Martijn</span><br></div></blockquote><br></body></html>