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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Anand,<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Good intentions yield bad licenses. I
appreciate what you try to do, but it's not open source, and it
does belong in a license.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">It is not up to you to enforce or even
enhance privacy or any Good Things (tm). I think we have discussed
this with a "do not evil" license, I can't recall the precise
name, and many times elsewhere.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Licenses are the WORST way to do it.
Law enforcement is made by complex and somewhat fragile legal
instruments. Law is a balance of rights and opposing rights, rules
imposing burdens and rules alleviating them. Rules making cases
and rules making exceptions. Rules changing previous rules,
decisions clarifying existing rules. In this picture, embedding
law-abiding concepts in a license is totally wrong. Well meaning,
but wrong.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Licenses in open source can't
discriminate against any field of application, and doing something
illegal or privacy-breaking *is* a field of application, like it
or not. Everybody has a "right to break the law": the consequence
is the punishment provided for by the law in a foreseeable
(fore-seeable) way; this is why in free countries you can't be
punished for something that was not considered a crime at the time
when you committed that crime, it's called "principle of legality"
or "rule of law". Nothing more, maybe something less. Plus, in
certain cases, breaking the law is an act of civil disobedience.
Protesting against dictatorship or an unjust law by openly
breaking it and face jail or even death is highly moral and just.
Rosa Parks broke the law. She became an icon of the civil
liberties movement. The law changed. The world changed too.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Besides, it is not the tool that breaks
the law or violates the privacy, it's its use in the context. And
its use is illegal depending on a number of factors that are not
referred to the judge who decides on copyright violation. See
spyware. Or a password breaker. Are they illegal? NOPE. Can you
use them at leisure? NOPE! Where is the boundary? Good question.
In certain cases, you can end up with an acquittal from the
criminal judge and a decision pro the plaintiff by a civil judge,
because the rules are different; but they are different because
they apply within a given domain, and make sense therein and
therein only. What you make of that? Something at face value
illegal can be excused. Cars can speed well beyond the highest
speed limit: would you make speedy cars illegal? Then go figure if
you try to escape from ill-intended people chasing you with an
illegal car. And what about the Police? What about if you are
running to an hospital in an emergency?</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Making it a copyright infringement adds
nothing but confusion. Licensing conditions in open source are
tool to preserve the freedoms that open source conveys, and to
protect the copyright holders from liability or that their work is
turned against them, they are within the realm of copyright and
licensing itself. Making them do well-meaning things is a
perversion of the tool.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I think I have made my case. Many have
presented these arguments in the past, I am sure there will be
more chances to present them. Sorry you are enduring my "wrath",
these are all but common or self-evident concepts, as they need to
be reminded from time to time and even among people familiar with
law and licensing, even lawmakers, sometimes (in Europe, currently
with the new copyright directive).<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Cheers</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Carlo</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/02/19 08:38, Anand Chowdhary
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<div>Thank you for your feedback.<br>
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<div>My intension was not to enforce the law, but rather what
is in my opinion is the right thing to do. I understand that
you think that the concept of mixing open-source with
laws/ethics is misguided. However, I don’t think enforcing
privacy is rubbish, and I thought licenses could be a great
way to do it.</div>
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<div>I would like to thank you for your feedback and opinion;
I saw your website (law.piana.eu) and see that you
specialize in free-software law—especially in the EU—and I
highly value your opinion. Thank you again, I will
definitely think further about what you said.</div>
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6 Feb 2019, 08:24 +0100, Carlo Piana <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:carlo@piana.eu"><carlo@piana.eu></a>,
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10px; border-left: thin solid #1abc9c;">Deeply against
conflating law-abiding provision with licenses. They don't
belong there, the entire concept is wrong. Plus, controlling
that software doesn't do acts against the law is vague, it
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Open source MUST be allowed to do illegal things. It is not up
to the copyright owners to perform law enforcement. And
something that's illegal for someone is legal for others.
Spyware is a good example. Something is illegal someplace
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Please leave this rubbish out of licensing.<br clear="none">
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<div><b>Name:</b> Twente License</div>
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<div><b>Rationale:</b> The MIT license is the most
popular open-source license out there. It's used
by millions of projects and helps the community by
providing open access to code, so that developers
can build on top of the hard work done by others.
However, in light of recent events where companies
are financially motivated to disregard individual
privacy, developers should choose wisely who can
use their intellectual property or codebases.</div>
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<div><b>Distinguish: </b>Twente License is free and
permissive—just like the MIT license—but it adds a
clause where the end product in which Twente
licensed code can be used has to be compliant with
certain guidelines, primarily respecting privacy,
human rights, and other European values.<b><br
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<div><b>Legal review:</b> I’ve had a lawyer
informally have a look, but no in-depth legal
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<b>Proliferation category:</b> Other/Miscellaneous
licenses (5)
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<div>Please find attached the license in plain
text.</div>
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