<div dir="ltr"><div>Anand,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for submitting this.</div><div><br></div><div>I think this unambiguously fails OSD #6. I 100% support your goals but it's not a goal your license can enforce this way and also be open source<br></div><div><br></div><div>Without digressing too far, I'd like to encourage you and others having social justice goals as well as those feeling their software is exploited unfairly by large companies to explore how to do discourage bad actors without messing with licenses. Our community has options already, including choosing which use-cases to support (or, in the extreme, even removing features), excluding bad actors from the community, public shaming of bad actors, refusing to provide voluntary support, etc. Quite honestly, I don't see much activity in that area which is quite disappointing. It's an area for ripe for innovation and exploration.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Eric<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:39 PM Anand Chowdhary <<a href="mailto:anandchowdhary@gmail.com">anandchowdhary@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">



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<div>I understand your concerns, especially with the ambition, which I have since scaled down. As you would see in the license page (<a href="https://twente.me" target="_blank">twente.me</a>), the license is essentially a fork of MIT with the added compliance to not collecting any personal information without consent, or sharing it.</div>
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<div>I also agree that #6 is ambiguous which is why I decided to submit it, even though I see now that the license may not be OSI-approved after all. However, I wanted to take my chances since it doesn’t directly discriminate any group as long as they comply with the license.</div>
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<div>I would love to hear more feedback about this, thanks again!</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Personally, I respect and admire those values. I wish that the US, with a different President and Congress, would pursue those values also!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">But compliance with values is the function of laws rather than a software license. We recognize that limitation in OSD #6 regarding the (somewhat ambiguous) "No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor". [1] Our governments adopt protective regulations about "values". (At least recently, Europe often does, the US doesn't as often.) But "privacy, human rights, and other ... values" are far more ambitious than software can protect with its mere open source licenses.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">By the way, please don't call them "European" values. We are in each country entitled to our own values.... That is why you can't restrict a license based on fields of endeavor or values.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="font-size:12pt">[1] OSD # 6:</span> <span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68);background:rgb(252,252,252) none repeat scroll 0% 0%">The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor. For example, it may not restrict the program from being used in a business, or from being used for genetic research.</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:05 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [License-review] For Approval: Twente License</p>
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