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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>John Cowan wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>> </span>I, on the other hand, think that open-source collaboration goes there every single day, and that nearly every patch committed evinces "the intention that their contributions be merged into inseparable or interdependent parts of a unitary whole." And not only do I think so, I believe that Larry Rosen, who is an actual IP lawyer, thinks so too. Indeed, it was he who convinced me of its truth.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I also believe it to be true, but please be careful. That authorized "merging" gives the patch author NO ownership rights to the software that is being patched. There is a legal difference between "joint work" and "contributions to a derivative work." A "patch" is, at most, a weakly copyrighted work. <a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/103">17 USC 103(b)</a>. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>/Larry</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> License-review <license-review-bounces@lists.opensource.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Cowan<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 11, 2019 11:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> License submissions for OSI review <license-review@lists.opensource.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-review] For Approval: Convertible Free Software License, Version 1.3 (C-FSL v1.3)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 4:34 PM Rob Landley <<a href="mailto:rob@landley.net">rob@landley.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>(I'm<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>glossing over "joint authorship" because we don't do that here, see<br><a href="https://www.bakerdonelson.com/avoiding-joint-pain-treatment-of-joint-works-of-authorship-conditions" target="_blank">https://www.bakerdonelson.com/avoiding-joint-pain-treatment-of-joint-works-of-authorship-conditions</a><br>and<br><a href="https://www.trademarkandcopyrightlawblog.com/2015/10/first-circuit-clarifies-rights-of-co-author-of-joint-derivative-work-to-make-further-derivatives/" target="_blank">https://www.trademarkandcopyrightlawblog.com/2015/10/first-circuit-clarifies-rights-of-co-author-of-joint-derivative-work-to-make-further-derivatives/</a><br>and<br><a href="https://corporate.findlaw.com/intellectual-property/copyright-ownership-the-joint-authorship-doctrine.html" target="_blank">https://corporate.findlaw.com/intellectual-property/copyright-ownership-the-joint-authorship-doctrine.html</a><br>if you're curious, but open source is careful not to go there.)<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I, on the other hand, think that open-source collaboration goes there every single day, and that nearly every patch committed evinces "the intention that their contributions be merged into inseparable or interdependent parts of a unitary whole." And not only do I think so, I believe that Larry Rosen, who is an actual IP lawyer, thinks so too. Indeed, it was he who convinced me of its truth.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>This is why filming stage plays is so hard [etc. etc. etc.]<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>It's hard because films are made in a "clearance culture", which is to say a culture of fear, not because of actual legal constraints. Still photographers take pictures of strangers without their consent every day, and a video is nothing but a sequence of stills. (There are some exceptions and anomalies, such as the right in California to prevent certain uses of your image if you're a famous person, but even that doesn't extend to news photography.) Oddly enough, audio recordings without consent are legal or illegal on a state-by-state basis.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>John Cowan <a href="http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan">http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan</a> <a href="mailto:cowan@ccil.org">cowan@ccil.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Pour moi, les villes du Silmarillion ont plus de realite que Babylone.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> --Christopher Tolkien, as interviewed by Le Monde<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>