<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 4:34 PM Rob Landley <<a href="mailto:rob@landley.net">rob@landley.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">(I'm<br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
glossing over "joint authorship" because we don't do that here, see<br>
<a href="https://www.bakerdonelson.com/avoiding-joint-pain-treatment-of-joint-works-of-authorship-conditions" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.bakerdonelson.com/avoiding-joint-pain-treatment-of-joint-works-of-authorship-conditions</a><br>
and<br>
<a href="https://www.trademarkandcopyrightlawblog.com/2015/10/first-circuit-clarifies-rights-of-co-author-of-joint-derivative-work-to-make-further-derivatives/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.trademarkandcopyrightlawblog.com/2015/10/first-circuit-clarifies-rights-of-co-author-of-joint-derivative-work-to-make-further-derivatives/</a><br>
and<br>
<a href="https://corporate.findlaw.com/intellectual-property/copyright-ownership-the-joint-authorship-doctrine.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://corporate.findlaw.com/intellectual-property/copyright-ownership-the-joint-authorship-doctrine.html</a><br>
if you're curious, but open source is careful not to go there.)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I, on the other hand, think that open-source collaboration goes there every single day, and that nearly every patch committed evinces "the intention that their contributions be merged into inseparable or interdependent parts of a unitary whole."  And not only do I think so, I believe that Larry Rosen, who is an actual IP lawyer, thinks so too.  Indeed, it was he who convinced me of its truth.</div><div>  </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">This is why filming stage plays is so hard [etc. etc. etc.]</blockquote><div><br></div><div>It's hard because films are made in a "clearance culture", which is to say a culture of fear, not because of actual legal constraints. Still photographers take pictures of strangers without their consent every day, and a video is nothing but a sequence of stills. (There are some exceptions and anomalies, such as the right in California to prevent certain uses of your image if you're a famous person, but even that doesn't extend to news photography.)  Oddly enough, audio recordings without consent are legal or illegal on a state-by-state basis.</div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div><div>John Cowan          <a href="http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan">http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan</a>        <a href="mailto:cowan@ccil.org">cowan@ccil.org</a></div><div>Pour moi, les villes du Silmarillion ont plus de realite que Babylone.</div><div>                --Christopher Tolkien, as interviewed by Le Monde</div></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div>