<div dir="auto">Brendan, I concur with you that OSD number 6 and number 9 are not complied with. However, some of your hypothetical cases are moot because of the operating system and system libraries exception which they have copied from the GNU family of licenses.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 19:27 Brendan Hickey <<a href="mailto:brendan.m.hickey@gmail.com">brendan.m.hickey@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">While the question of copyright misuse is admittedly very interesting, it's getting away from a central question that Richard raised three days ago: Does this license satisfy OSD #9?<div><br></div><div>That answer is a resounding no. Clause 13 applies to programs that are not derivative works of the licensed software. Moreover it appears so absurdly expansive that actually achieving compliance might be impossible in practice. As Vadim rightly point out the practical impact of this clause is discriminatory against competitors in the same field of endeavour, thereby running afoul of OSD #6. </div><div><br></div><div>In the following scenarios what is the user required to distribute under the SSPL? (Assuming that clause 13 has attached in the first place.)</div><div><ul><li>Serving MongoDB on Debian.</li><li>Serving MongoDB on OSX running Time Machine.</li><li>Use Docker to deploy an image that serves MongoDB.</li><li>Use Puppet to manage machines which are in turn used to serve MongoDB.</li><li>Monitor a binary build from SSPL licensed code with software written in Java, using Java APIs.</li><li>Regularly `shred` MongoDB logs for privacy purposes.</li><li>Print the MongoDB source code to make a backup.</li></ul><div><br></div><div>Brendan</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:34 PM Pamela Chestek <<a href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pamela@chesteklegal.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_2790201914605698483m_9121805996806679410m_-754570058164471270moz-cite-prefix">On 10/18/18 8:53 PM, VanL wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span class="m_2790201914605698483m_9121805996806679410m_-754570058164471270gmail-SS_LeftAlign"><span class="m_2790201914605698483m_9121805996806679410m_-754570058164471270gmail-SS_RFCPassage_Deactivated"><span class="m_2790201914605698483m_9121805996806679410m_-754570058164471270gmail-SS_CRBHighlight">the entire purpose of the SSPL
is to prevent competition to MongoDB by copies that would
otherwise be lawful ...<br>
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Van, this is where you're losing me. What are the "lawful copies"?
If the licensee hasn't complied with the terms of the license,
paragraph 13 in particular, then they don't have lawful copies. You
point seems circular to me.<br>
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If you're saying that paragraph 13 would not be construed as a
condition, then you're in contract territory - and I do agree with
that your impossibility argument will often be true. But then query
whether the licensee should be taking the license if they know they
can't comply. Wouldn't there a counterclaim for that? Fraudulent
misrepresentation?<br>
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Pam<br>
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Chestek Legal<br>
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