<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 06:04 Carlo Piana <<a href="mailto:osi-review@piana.eu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">osi-review@piana.eu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_-3520590003778874174m_-1841761573061314041moz-cite-prefix">Thanks Bruce, <br>
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I see that we hold a similar position here. The "Original
contributor" language exposes a kind of fallacy, that the
contribute by the originator is more "important" than the one of
the other contributors. Just because it happens before, does not
mean it's more important. It might be. It might be not.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="m_-3520590003778874174m_-1841761573061314041moz-cite-prefix">
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An open source project should belong to the commons. If it's
"commons with a leash in the hands of somebody only" as I said WRT
patents, it's not commons.<br>
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Carlo<br></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Not only that, but even if this were a good idea the entire choice of law clause is farcical. It enables some very adventurous jurisdiction shopping. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This license should be rejected as a crayon license. It's so frought with issues that I can't imagine it underwent serious legal review. An environmental lawyer can tell you all about wetlands law, but they're scarcely more qualified than me to assert that a license is well formed.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Brendan</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="m_-3520590003778874174m_-1841761573061314041moz-cite-prefix">On 26/09/2018 11:47, Bruce Perens wrote:<br>
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<div>Other accepted licenses have "original contributor"
language, but not granting so much power. OSI policy is they
don't have to do something stupid because they've done it in
the past. They would not be required to approve this language
on the basis of usage in prior licenses.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Sep 26, 2018, 11:23 AM Carlo Piana
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<div class="m_-3520590003778874174m_-1841761573061314041m_2814651221916898790moz-cite-prefix">Ellmar,
all,<br>
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I remain quite puzzled by the main feature of the
license, namely, the right of *some* copyright holders
in the initial work to decide on the licensing of the
*other* follow-on developers who are also copyright
holders. Isn't it a sort of discrimination, therefore
against #5? <br>
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I know that the same practical effect would be
achieved by assigning the code to a single project,
but that it's always an option for any forker, not a
legal effect of the license. Here you give up your
rights on your copyright as a condition of the very
license, which does quite limit the rights of some
versus the rights of others.<br>
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My initial and non meditated reaction is that this
license should be rejected as long as Section 7 is
concerned.<br>
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A remark on the need to retain the ability of
relicense or to "make business" (AKA proprietary
exploit) with the software. That's achieved with a
liberal, non copyleft license. But restricting others
from doing something that the initial developers can
do, siphoning in the formers' code and copyright, that
does not seem acceptable.<br>
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Or am I mistaken on the working of the condition? <br>
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Carlo<br>
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On 26/09/2018 09:57, Elmar Stellnberger wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Full Name: Convertible Free
Software License Version 1.1 <br>
Short Identifier: C-FSL v1.1 <br>
URL: <a class="m_-3520590003778874174m_-1841761573061314041m_2814651221916898790moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.elstel.org/license/C-FSL-v1.1.txt" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.elstel.org/license/C-FSL-v1.1.txt</a>
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Rationale and Distinguish: <br>
While the BSD license allows the whole world to
re-license and while re-licensing is virtually
impossible with GPL since every contributor would need
to consent the C-FSL license goes a practical
intermediate way restricting the right to re-license
to a group called the original authors. That way open
source developers are not excluded from making
business with others who want to base a proprietary
product on the given piece of open source software. <br>
<br>
Proliferation Category & Legal Review: <br>
Other/Miscellaneous <br>
A lawyer from the EPA (Environmental Protection
Agency, USA) has already checked C-FSL for its
proliferation properties. He has found the license to
be compatible with other open source licenses. He
decided that C-FSL can be used together with the CC0
license in the FDtool (functional dependency mining
tool) project. <br>
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list of software which uses C-FSL v1.1.: <br>
qcoan: <a class="m_-3520590003778874174m_-1841761573061314041m_2814651221916898790moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.elstel.org/coan" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.elstel.org/coan</a>
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xchroot, confinedrv, bundsteg, debcheckroot,
dbschemacmd: also found at <a class="m_-3520590003778874174m_-1841761573061314041m_2814651221916898790moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.elstel.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">www.elstel.org</a>
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