Mark,<div><br></div><div>Thank you very much for re-engaging. I am looking forward to hearing your discussion and explanations. I hope you and the group are open to the possibility of re-drafting. Besides the issues on which you can enlighten us, I believe that an increase in clarity of the actual license document is possible.</div><div><br></div><div>Many Thanks</div><div><br></div><div>Bruce Perens</div><div>License Committee Member</div><div>Standards Chair<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 10:46 AM Dvorscak, Mark P. (HQ-MC000) <<a href="mailto:mark.p.dvorscak@nasa.gov">mark.p.dvorscak@nasa.gov</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Apologies for the delay in responding to the questions posed by OSI related to NASA’s request for approval of NOSA 2.0 We have had some internal software policy issues that needed
attention and took priority. I have asked Rob Padilla, who leads our Open Source Software legal team, to re-engage with you on the outstanding issues. You can expect Rob to provide explanations and answer the questions posed. Please continue to copy Bryan
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank you for your consideration of our request, and we look forward to resolution of the remaining issues.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Mark P. Dvorscak<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 13, 2018 12:13 PM</span></p></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_2317186968415432029WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-review] Fwd: [Non-DoD Source] Resolution on NOSA 2.0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_2317186968415432029WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p>
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I reviewed the NASA Open Source Agreement about 20 days ago. I have continued to develop my understanding of the license, including from discussion with Nigel and John Cowan. I could do a third pass of review based on my improved understanding, but the result
would still be that I concur with the OSI board's decision to decline to accept the license as written. I would encourage you to work on 3.0 and to do peer review with other attorneys before submitting it, but I'm eager to see 3.0 and hope that you can arrive
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