<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Oh, I forgot to mention, the list was down for some days when I first sent my mail, but as far as I am aware it did go to the license submitter at their NASA and MIL addresses. I mis-addressed my recent re-send and took care of that as soon as I saw the bounce.<br><br></div> Thanks<br><br></div> Bruce<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Bruce Perens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bruce@perens.com" target="_blank">bruce@perens.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi Nigel,<br><br></div>My explanation is simple. I wasn't participating in license-review during that time. I was called back quite recently due to the problem that OSI was having difficulty, on several fronts, explaining the rationale behind decisions that I'd made 20 years ago in crafting the OSD. I have been filling in the blanks. I agree it was unfortunate that I was not around to participate in the earlier reviews of NASA license.<br><br></div> Thanks<br><br></div> Bruce<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 6:42 AM, Tzeng, Nigel H. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu" target="_blank">Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal">There was no reply on license review because you didn’t send it to either license review or Bryan.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/2017-December/thread.html" target="_blank">http://lists.opensource.org/pi<wbr>permail/license-review_lists.<wbr>opensource.org/2017-December/<wbr>thread.html</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It’s been over FOUR YEARS since NOSA 2.0 was submitted in June of 2013. Maybe you should have asked these questions in 2013 rather than 2017?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In any case, according to the archive of the license-review lists from November 2017 to February 2018, NASA was ignored. If the board has formally rejected the NOSA 2.0 submission in the meantime that’s just awesome communication on the
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<p class="MsoNormal">By blocking the approval of NOSA 2.0 the OSI has blocked the fix for the section that you have an issue with in v1.3 (original work of authorship clause). If you were interested in seeing that language removed then you should have advocated
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<p class="MsoNormal">As I noted in License-Discuss, if one the agencies that has been forward thinking and generating GOSS code for public use as part of their strategy for nearly two decades under the NOSA license (<a href="https://open.nasa.gov" target="_blank">https://open.nasa.gov</a> and
<a href="https://code.nasa.gov" target="_blank">https://code.nasa.gov</a> ) and likely has released one of the oldest GOSS/PD codebases around (<a href="https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11)" target="_blank">https://github.com/chrislgarr<wbr>y/Apollo-11)</a> believes it needs to update that
license then the OSI shouldn’t continue to be a roadblock for improving that <b>
already approved special purpose license </b>but instead be helpful and <b>responsive</b>.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">According to Open Nasa they have:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<li class="m_-1494722036759924299m_-6491121069569110386MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">39,054 Open Data Sets<u></u><u></u></li><li class="m_-1494722036759924299m_-6491121069569110386MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">356 Open Code Repositories (155 on GitHub under the NASA account)<u></u><u></u></li><li class="m_-1494722036759924299m_-6491121069569110386MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">41 Open APIs<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think NASA has met and exceeded any “higher standard” set for Open Source and Open Data advocacy and performance.<u></u><u></u></p>
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I did not get any reply from NASA when I first sent this, in early December.<u></u><u></u></p>
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From: Bruce Perens <<a href="mailto:bruce@perens.com" target="_blank">bruce@perens.com</a>><br>
Date: Fri, Dec 8, 2017, 21:39<br>
Subject: Re: [License-review] [Non-DoD Source] Resolution on NOSA 2.0<br>
To: License submissions for OSI review <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org" target="_blank">license-review@opensource.org</a><wbr>>, <<a href="mailto:cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil" target="_blank">cem.f.karan.civ@mail.mil</a>>, <<a href="mailto:bryan.a.geurts@nasa.gov" target="_blank">bryan.a.geurts@nasa.gov</a>><u></u><u></u></p>
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(admission being equivalent to being granted a subscription to this mailing list) I would be willing to look at a new submission and make a recommendation.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#1f497d">I think the missing piece in your previous submissions is that they were not a good deal for the Open Source developer community, only a license engineered to grant maximal protection
to NASA. The board cited legal ambiguities in their response, these are of course to the disadvantage of the community. Individual developers do not have the easy access to counsel and the legal budget that NASA has, and it's an even worse day for
<i>them </i>when they are sued. To give a personal example, my recent participation in an Open-source-related lawsuit will probably exceed my year's income in legal fees. So, I believe that both NASA and OSI should place the individual developer's protection
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Source. I would not have recommended its approval. I would be especially interested in seeing a submission that removed that language.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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