<div dir="ltr">(I'm also an amazon open source person, though subscribed here under my Apache alias)<div><br></div><div>Will dig around internally and aim to get back by this time tomorrow. i.e.) let's see what Alolita and I dig up before making any SPDX decisions :)</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for raising this.</div><div><br></div><div>Hen</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Alolita Sharma <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alolita.sharma@gmail.com" target="_blank">alolita.sharma@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">All good points. I will forward to the licensing review folks at Amazon. <br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-694222557223754438gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Best,<br>Alolita<br><br><br></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:40 PM, Bruce Perens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bruce@perens.com" target="_blank">bruce@perens.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><span>> <span style="font-size:16px">I'm frankly astonished that a lawyer would sign off on that sentence.</span><div><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></div></span><div><span style="font-size:16px">I'm not convinced that one did. Who do we talk with at Amazon? I'd be happy to chat with them?</span></div><div><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:16px">Whoever can tell Amazon, and for the information of everyone else:</span></div><div><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:16px">Trademark grants are best done in a <i>separate document</i> from your software copyright license, with one exception. If you wish to require that modified versions use a separate name from the trademark used on the version you stand behind, per OSD#4, that restriction belongs in your Open Source license.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:16px">In general, if you want to make a partial grant for others to use your trademark, <i>make it a grant </i>in that specifies what you can do without permission<i>. </i>What you can not do without permission should come after that (because we can't assume the reader is familiar with trademark law)<i> </i>Consider that several Open Source projects do make such grants, for example <a href="https://www.debian.org/trademark" target="_blank">Debian </a>and <a href="https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/trademarks/policy/" target="_blank">Mozilla</a>. And they manage to keep these separate from their Open Source licenses.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:16px"> Thanks</span></div><span class="m_-694222557223754438HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:16px"> Bruce</span></div></font></span></div>
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