<div dir="ltr">Kevin,<div><br></div><div>Regarding OSD 5 I guess it depends on whether you believe just having a copyleft license (OSL) is discriminatory. Given we are starting with an open source license and granting permissive rights via Apache 2.0 or later dual license does it "lock anyone out of the process"? Everybody is equally able to contribute to open source. Providing the upstream developer a dual Apache 2.0 or later license option automatically permits them to use the derivative works in any subsequent project whether closed, permissive or copyleft without hassle.</div><div><br></div><div>It's submitted as a special purpose license primarily because the designed for use case is open sourcing an existing closed source product. The dual licensing with Apache for upstream gives that developer the commercial safety of a strong copyleft release (commercial competitors can't simply take their features and fold it into their own product) without the hassle of herding a CLA process to keep compatibility between the open and closed versions.<br><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:'open sans',sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></span></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:'open sans',sans-serif;font-size:14px">OSD 5: The license must not discriminate against any person or group of persons.</span></div></div><div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:'open sans',sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:italic;box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:700"><br></span></div></div><div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:'open sans',sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:italic;box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:700">Rationale:</span><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:'open sans',sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:italic"> In order to get the maximum benefit from the process, the maximum diversity of persons and groups should be equally eligible to contribute to open sources. Therefore we forbid any open-source license from locking anybody out of the process.</span></div></div></blockquote><div><div><br></div><div><font color="#444444" face="open sans, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px">Regarding transitivity, yes it is. If I create a work under UCL and you make a derivative work then I get a Apache license to your additions. When a third person creates a new derivative work based on your version using the rights provided under UCL then you get an Apache license to their additions and so do I.</span></font></div><div><font color="#444444" face="open sans, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#444444" face="open sans, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px">That doesn't allow you to reproduce your own closed source version of the original product but it does mean that if you choose to reuse your own extensions in a new work, whether closed, Apache or GPL, you can safely use the latest version in the repo because you've been granted an Apache license to all the changes.</span></font></div><div><font color="#444444" face="open sans, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#444444" face="open sans, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px">This is most useful in fairly modular systems. For example if you added a cool new filter to a UCL licensed photo editor then you would be able to reuse, remix or build upon that filter in the future in any subsequent project. The provenance of that code and your Apache 2.0 or later license grant can be traced via the repo of the UCL project you grabbed the latest version of the filter from even after a fork or two. Plugins fall into this category as well.</span></font></div></div><div><font color="#444444" face="open sans, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#444444" face="open sans, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px">Regards,</span></font></div><div><font color="#444444" face="open sans, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#444444" face="open sans, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px">Nigel</span></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Kevin Fleming <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kevin+osi@kpfleming.us" target="_blank">kevin+osi@kpfleming.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I'm curious to hear your rationale as to why this does not conflict with the section 5 of the OSD, since it grants different permissions to various groups of people.<br><br></div>Also, I'm *really* curious to hear how this additional license grant isn't transitive (which it appears to be, but isn't what you describe as your intent). If I publish a work under this license, and you create a derivative work and publish it also under this license, then I get permission to use your modifications under this license and under the AL2. If a third party then makes a derivative of my derivative and publishes it, you and I *both* get permission to use their changes under the AL2. 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