<span style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Hi Matthias,</span><div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"></span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Thanks for your questions.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:'Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft YaHei',微软雅黑,SimSun,宋体,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:'Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft YaHei',微软雅黑,SimSun,宋体,sans-serif">Zentao Public License(ZPL) is for end users using applications software which has GUI or B/S interface. It does not apply to basic software, such as database, system management tools. </span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:'Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft YaHei',微软雅黑,SimSun,宋体,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:'Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft YaHei',微软雅黑,SimSun,宋体,sans-serif"></span><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:'Microsoft YaHei UI','Microsoft YaHei',微软雅黑,SimSun,宋体,sans-serif">ZPL defines what you can/not do as a developer/end user/developer who developed based on existing software. The developer can keep the badgeware，while the developers who develop based on existing software can add their own badgeware and end users can use the software for free. </span></div><div><font color="#212121" face="Microsoft YaHei UI, Microsoft YaHei, 微软雅黑, SimSun, 宋体, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font color="#212121" face="Microsoft YaHei UI, Microsoft YaHei, 微软雅黑, SimSun, 宋体, sans-serif">Fei</font></div><div><font color="#212121" face="Microsoft YaHei UI, Microsoft YaHei, 微软雅黑, SimSun, 宋体, sans-serif"><br></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;color:#000000;background-color:#ffffff;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
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From: <b>Matthias Merkel</b> <<a>moritz30@moritz30.de</a>><br>
Date: Friday, June 17, 2016<br>
Subject: [License-review] Approval request for ZENTAO PUBLIC LICENSE<br>
To: "<a>license-review@opensource.org</a>" <<a>license-review@opensource.org</a>><br>
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<div>"For Matthias' question, the answer is YES.The Item 2.4 from our license works like badgeware."<br>
Please exactly explain how, where and when to credit. That'll be important, because software may also run in enviroments without gui.
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<div><font size="2"><span>For Matthias' question, the answer is YES.<i>The Item 2.4 from our license works like badgeware.</i> </span></font></div>
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<div><font size="2"><span>For Carlo's comments,</span></font></div>
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<div><font size="2"><span>1. " While I still don't like this license at all, I can only spot a few flaws now:</span></font></div>
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Soft Network Technology Co,LTD has the final authority to interpret the <br>
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This is quite strange. A Judge should have this final authority. Relying on an external source for defining the legal content of a license is heterodox at best. The license must be self-fulfilling (except for the inevitable external legal environment)."</span></font>
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<p><font size="2"><span> <i>By authority, it means that our company has the final right to interpret the terms of the agreement. If the word is not appropriate, it is OK to change it. </i></span></font></p>
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2. "Additionally, the reference to "I" looks suspicious: who is this "I"? Who is this "I" for downstream modifications? Are downstream copyright holders excluded from the same rights as the original? "</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><span> <i>The "I" has been defined as the developer/author of the softwareat the very beginning of the agreement, "Preface ...__________(Hereinafter referred to as " the software) developed by _________( hereinafter refferred to "I")".</i><br>
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although it seems better worded than what my memory reports."</span></font>
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<p><font size="2"><span> <i>It is the first time that the request has been post through to your list and all the comments have been received for the very first time. Therefore, what you have already expressed must not have been received. If you don't
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4. " Finally, there is a list of "things" a user/developer can do. I am sure there has been effort in be all-inclusive, but is it the complete list or something outside would be permissible? Some read as very specific to a given field-of-use, while
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<p><font size="2"><span> <i>It is not the intension to write a all-inclusive agreement and there is nothing out of the agreement to be permissible. This agreement is for products with GUI/Web interface. The reason there are a list of "things" in this
agreement is that quite often a lot of users had asked what they can do with the software. Based on their feedback, it is decided to list what they can or cannot do with it. </i></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><span><i> </i>By the way, the email has been held for list moderators's approval again when I tried to reply Matthias' email. This is what has been happening to our request-for-review emails before. Therefore, I am putting both Matthias
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<p><font size="2"><span>Thank you.</span></font></p>
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On Thursday, June 16, 2016, Fei Teng <<a>feiteng854@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Yes, it works like badgeware, so it is needed if the software is modified.<span></span><br>
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software when using it. None of the indications can be removed, hidden or <br>
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Sounds like badgeware. Is that also needed if the software is modified?
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<div>I am writing to request the approval of <span>ZENTAO PUBLIC LICENSE. The required information is as followed.</span></div>
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<div><font size="+0"> 1. the </font><font size="+0"><i>submission type</i></font><font size="+0"> and </font><font size="+0"><i>license name</i></font><font size="+0"> in subject field (to ensure proper tracking) : </font></div>
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<pre style="MARGIN-TOP:0px;MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px">2. <span style="FONT-FAMILY:UICTFontTextStyleBody;WHITE-SPACE:normal">a plaintext copy of the license （see attachment</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:UICTFontTextStyleBody;WHITE-SPACE:normal">）</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:UICTFontTextStyleBody;WHITE-SPACE:normal"> </span></pre>
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<pre style="MARGIN-TOP:0px;MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:UICTFontTextStyleBody;WHITE-SPACE:normal">3. </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:UICTFontTextStyleBody;WHITE-SPACE:normal">the supporting data listed below (as appropriate for the type of submission) </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:UICTFontTextStyleBody;WHITE-SPACE:normal"> </span></pre>
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<pre style="MARGIN-TOP:0px;MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px"><font size="+0">I am copying Richard as in Cc just in case that I can NOT post the request to the mailing list, which has happened before, and Richard has been helping me with this license review. </font></pre>
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