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<div>Brent,</div>
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<div>I’ve never met Dr Rubin and would like to remind folks that I’m on this list just as myself and do not in any way represent the lab in any sort of official capacity. </div>
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<div>Good luck in your endeavors.</div>
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<div>Warmest Regards,</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>License-review <<a href="mailto:license-review-bounces@opensource.org">license-review-bounces@opensource.org</a>> on behalf of Brent Turner <<a href="mailto:turnerbrentm@gmail.com">turnerbrentm@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>OSI License Review <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org">license-review@opensource.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 6:51 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>'CAVO' <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org">cavo@opensource.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>OSI License Review <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org">license-review@opensource.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [License-review] [CAVO] Discussing proposed new licenses<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><font color="#0b5394">CAVO doesn’t even appear to have a repo so I care even less what they think which licenses should be used for voting systems</font></span><br>
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<div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Please recognize our mission statement here..
<a href="http://www.cavo-us.org">www.cavo-us.org</a> </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><font color="#000000"><br>
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<div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">For clarification, please further understand that Avi Rubin from Johns Hopkins received 7.5 million dollars from the NSF to provide solution to this crisis.. and zero
was accomplished.. so we work for free out of duty to country. </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Many of our members have worked pro bono pioneering this reform space for over a decade.</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Tzeng, Nigel H. <span dir="ltr">
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<div>I think that discussions regarding OPL acceptability wrt OSD and license proliferation would garner no objections.</div>
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<div>What you are asking for is a discussion regarding the philosophical advantages of strong vs weak copyleft in a specific domain. I vote no thanks.</div>
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<div>OSET wants their own alternative to MPL (not GPLv3) as a special purpose license. We have 4: ECL v2.0, IPA, NOSA 1.3, OFL v1.1. </div>
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<div>Of these it seems most similar to ECL in terms of need. There is strong desire to do open source but the vanilla open source license would face resistance from some segment of stakeholders. Whether it is a real or just perceived concern by these stakeholders
is immaterial if they simply choose not to adopt open source because of those concerns. In terms of license usage I would guess the OSET community is currently much smaller than the Sakai community was when it asked for ECL approval, and with a lot less code
and activity based on what I see in the trustthevote github. In the year running up to an election I would expect to see a lot more commits. Maybe I’m not looking in the right place. Is OSET trying to get approval so vendors start donating code to the foundation?
What is driving the immediate need for OSI approval of a new special purpose license? </div>
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<div>From a license proliferation perspective I’m looking at the OSET github repo and thinking its not worth the effort to do so. CAVO doesn’t even appear to have a repo so I care even less what they think which licenses should be used for voting systems.
Until there’s a significant body of work and community I feel it’s too early to seek approval for a special purpose license.</div>
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<div>The biggest concern I have with the license itself is the response that OSET will attempt to harmonize downstream license incompatibility caused by 3.5B at the OSET stewardship level. It strikes me as problematic for a license to potentially permit a
high level of downstream license fragmentation/confusion even with itself at the same version level. This may warrant more discussion or maybe I just didn’t understand that comment.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 1:43 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>OSI License Review <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org" target="_blank">license-review@opensource.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>'CAVO' <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org" target="_blank">cavo@opensource.org</a>>, "Heather J. Meeker" <<a href="mailto:hmeeker@omm.com" target="_blank">hmeeker@omm.com</a>>, "Nigel H. Tzeng" <<a href="mailto:Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu" target="_blank">Nigel.Tzeng@jhuapl.edu</a>>,
Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Discussing proposed new licenses<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Dear OSI Board,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Among the frustrating behavior of some open source folks – including members of your board – is what Nigel may have meant when he referred to "mail list judo." That game was played expertly
at Apache too. I hate it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">You repeatedly move discussions from one email list to another in an effort to prevent full discussion and resolution. Each list has its own subscribers and its own narrow focus. Starting
anew every few emails is a waste of our time. That is why we can never get clear answers from anyone. For example, when the folks at OSET are asked for specific responses, you bombard the email list with "take this discussion elsewhere..." and they can coyly
shut up. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">OSET wants their own alternative to GPLv3. The CAVO folks have challenged the OSET Rationale for a proposed new license. That discussion was properly posted on license-review@. Let the conversation
take place without meaningless game-playing on email lists. If you've already made up your mind, please just say so and then shut up about moving the discussion to some other secret venue.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I assume there will eventually be a vote on the OSET license. Until then, let us discuss it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thanks.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">/Larry<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Simon Phipps [<a href="mailto:webmink@opensource.org" target="_blank">mailto:webmink@opensource.org</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> License submissions for OSI review <<a href="mailto:license-review@opensource.org" target="_blank">license-review@opensource.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lawrence Rosen <<a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com" target="_blank">lrosen@rosenlaw.com</a>>; CAVO <<a href="mailto:cavo@opensource.org" target="_blank">cavo@opensource.org</a>>; Gregory Miller <<a href="mailto:gmiller@osetfoundation.org" target="_blank">gmiller@osetfoundation.org</a>>;
Meegan Gregg <<a href="mailto:meegan@osetfoundation.org" target="_blank">meegan@osetfoundation.org</a>>; Christine Santoro <<a href="mailto:csantoro@osetfoundation.org" target="_blank">csantoro@osetfoundation.org</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-review] [CAVO] FW: OSET Foundation<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The License-Review list is for reviewing the conformance of proposed open source licenses against the
<a href="http://opensource.org/osd-annotated" target="_blank">Open Source Definition</a>. Please stop cc-ing it on messages that do not perform this function. <u></u><u></u></p>
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