question before attempting an update on AFL

Thorsten Glaser tg at
Thu Oct 30 14:35:15 UTC 2008

Rick Moen dixit:

>* 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software

      All publications          made by                using this software

>*    must display the following acknowledgement:

      must display the following citation:

>*    This product includes software developed by the University of
>*    California, Berkeley and its contributors.
>...does not impair the _use_ of the program.  

>Cengiz Gunay aspires, by contrast, to mandate that derivatives of
>covered software "cite one of my scientific publications about the
>toolbox in publications resulting from the use of [his] toolbox".

Use is not impaired, only publishing papers made with help of it.

>But, anyway, my understanding is that the charter of this mailing list

“I have no rational arguments left” ITYM ;)

Bruce Perens dixit:

> Russ has been pretty clear that the OSI board is not out to repeat old mistakes

Now I _did_ say it’s discouraged:

Thorsten Glaser dixit:

>clause in disguise. These are exactly the reasons why it’s discouraged

On the other hand, your counter-arguments are wrong. The original
poster should be given reasons to not do it, instead of being
misunderstood, flamed and evaded.

But then, I’m used to it from this place.

@Cengiz Gunay: If Dag-Erling Smørgrav has a point, a suggestion of
mine would be to put a REMINDER (in form of a request, possibly)
to the file that citation of sources is necessary, added with a
request that this reminder be not removed. For such, you do not
need to talk to OSI people, because it does not put additional
restrictions on top of it while being clear to the recipients.

A possible way to do this visually is to do it similar to the
COPYING file in the mcabber source distribution, where you just
tag a clearly distinguished notice before the licence you use.

> Hi, does anyone sell openbsd stickers by themselves and not packaged
> with other products?
No, the only way I've seen them sold is for $40 with a free OpenBSD CD.
	-- Haroon Khalid and Steve Shockley in gmane.os.openbsd.misc

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