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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">Thank you once again for taking the time and making the effort to review and comment on our draft license terms. We greatly appreciate this as well as your hard work for
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">Unfortunately, based on your feedback, it seems like we have hit a dead end as we, as a business, of course cannot allow third parties to copy our products flat out, which
would (or at least could) be the consequence of including a patent license or even not addressing that directly in the license text. We are also afraid that other licensors would not use it to license their graphics if it came at this risk.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">However, we feel it is a shame for the ROS community not to have an OSI-approved license that licensors can use and users can rely on when it comes to the use of graphics,
particularly in virtual environments, which is a key element of the community.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">As a last resort, we would like to ask you if you see any way that we can allow the licensed materials (in the form of graphics) to be used freely with the sole exception
of not (necessarily) letting anyone make functioning, physical copies of the products represented by the graphics and still get the license approved by the OSI?</span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">Or would we, and everyone else, always have to include a patent license (either express or implied) to get it approved?</span></p>
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<div>The license, as you plan, intentionally gives you the leeway to selectively enforce a patent should you not like a particular use or user. Because of this, I just cannot believe that it is sincerely meant to be an Open Source license. It is meant to fit
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<div dir="auto">OSI has approved some licenses that they regret, and thus makes it explicit that what they have approved previously is not a justification for approving a present license. When we started OSI, no lawyer would help us. Thus understanding has
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_x_gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 5, 2025, 12:50 Josh Berkus <<a href="mailto:josh.berkus@opensource.org">josh.berkus@opensource.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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On 11/5/25 4:16 AM, Morten Fruelund wrote:<br>
> It is correct that the proposed license, like Clear BSD, for example, <br>
explicitly does not grant a patent license, whereas many other OSI <br>
approved open-source licenses remain silent on the issue. Further, some <br>
OSI-approved licenses contain similar, but of course not identical, <br>
restrictions on or exclusions from the licenses to various types of IP, <br>
e.g., RPL-1.5, which states the following in Clause 5.0:<br>
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ClearBSD is not an OSI-approved license.<br>
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And I knew you were going to mention RPL-1.5. That license already came <br>
up in an OSI committee review of old licenses which might not meet our <br>
current standards for OSD compliance (TBD). That license was submitted <br>
at a time when OSI's understanding of the interaction between patent and <br>
copyright for open source was less mature than it is today (SCO Unix vs. <br>
Linux was an education for the whole industry).<br>
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OSI has been around for almost the whole of open source, and our <br>
understanding of what exact clauses preserve software freedom, and which <br>
ones do not, has evolved in that time. Indeed, if it had not, we would <br>
have failed in our mission. This was the reason for adding additional <br>
information to the license submission process, such as these two advisories:<br>
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more favored position than any licensee."<br>
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