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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">Hi Bruce</span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">Thank you for your feedback, which I will address separately:</span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"><b><u>[In 3.1.2.2, When the OSD was created, we had source-code control systems, but they were not hosted online. These days an online git repository seems to be more than
sufficient as a declaration of changes, and should be sufficient to fulfill a requirement to document changes. Requirement of an additional copyright notice is a good deal more oblique and not optimal.]</u></b></span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">We completely agree. However, we only mention a copyright notice as an example of how to indicate that the Adapted Material has been changed, including how, when, and by
whom.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"><b><u>[In 1.5: specification that the licensed material consists of specific file formats
</u><i><u>excluding software </u></i><u>seems likely to shoot you in the foot eventually because of the ephemeral nature of file formats, And this is also so specific to your application that there is no use for other parties to adopt the license and thus less
incentive for OSI to approve the license.]</u></b></span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"><b><u></u></b></span><span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">The file formats mentioned in 1.5 are only examples of what types
of \u201cgraphical files and documents\u201d may be licensed subject to the proposed license texts. However, we do not believe that it is specific to our application as a multitude of companies operating in the ROS space, including our competitors, engage in the same
type of activity as we do in terms of making graphical files and documents available to the ROS community/the public. In this regard, I note that we have been approached by such companies with a request to use our proprietary license agreement covering the
same subject matter, which we are aiming to replace with the proposed open license.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"><b><u>[An Open Source license will inevitably be applied to software, perhaps even by your own folks who don't have good access to counsel. You also list things that run
awry of 17 USC 102(b) in the US and similar law in most other nations. Schematics are not generally held to be copyrightable. I don't see that OSI has an incentive to assist in protecting that which is not legally protected.]</u></b></span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">Under Danish law, for example, schematics and other technical drawings are subject to copyright protection. As a Danish company, we of course need to account for that vis-à-vis
the users of the materials we would like to license to them. Further, to the extent the licensed material is not subject to copyright protection at all, there is no license to be granted as everyone is free to use it regardless. However, in practice, it can
be hard for a user to determine whether material is subject to copyright protection, so they would at least have assurance that they are allowed to use the \u201clicensed\u201d material by way of this license.</span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);"><b><u>[And then we get to the nature of graphics which can be used in simulation, but not manufacture. This seems to be that you intended another use restriction in contravention
of the Fields of Endeavor clause - manufacturing certainly is one - but I haven't so far stumbled across the term that implements this.]</u></b></span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(36, 36, 36);">The license text does not contain any restrictions with regard to fields of endeavor, and it does not distinguish between virtual and physical use or the purpose of the
use. In order to achieve the goal, you mention, we simply opted to only grant a copyright license to the licensed material, and not include, e.g., a patent license like many other open-source licenses also do not do.</span></p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com><br>
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<div dir="ltr">In 3.1.2.2, When the OSD was created, we had source-code control systems, but they were not hosted online. These days an online git repository seems to be more than sufficient as a declaration of changes, and should be sufficient to fulfill a
requirement to document changes. Requirement of an additional copyright notice is a good deal more oblique and not optimal.
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<div>In 1.5: specification that the licensed material consists of specific file formats
<i>excluding software </i>seems likely to shoot you in the foot eventually because of the ephemeral nature of file formats, And this is also so specific to your application that there is no use for other parties to adopt the license and thus less incentive
for OSI to approve the license.</div>
<div>An Open Source license will inevitably be applied to software, perhaps even by your own folks who don't have good access to counsel. You also list things that run awry of 17 USC 102(b) in the US and similar law in most other nations. Schematics are not
generally held to be copyrightable. I don't see that OSI has an incentive to assist in protecting that which is not legally protected.</div>
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<div>And then we get to the nature of graphics which can be used in simulation, but not manufacture. This seems to be that you intended another use restriction in contravention of the Fields of Endeavor clause - manufacturing certainly is one - but I haven't
so far stumbled across the term that implements this.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 28, 2025 at 11:50\u202fAM Morten Fruelund via License-discuss <<a href="mailto:license-discuss@lists.opensource.org">license-discuss@lists.opensource.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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I am representing Teradyne Robotics A/S, a division of Teradyne inc. (<a id="x_m_-2454022789108596576OWAc4ac7cc8-864d-6aac-114c-6d6272ef5867" href="https://www.teradyne.com/" target="_blank">https://www.teradyne.com/</a>), that provides robot arms (<a id="x_m_-2454022789108596576OWA90044508-8bd2-de9b-3faa-56720b8c4301" href="https://www.universal-robots.com/" target="_blank">https://www.universal-robots.com/</a>)
and autonomous mobile robots (<a id="x_m_-2454022789108596576OWA08f3ac2c-d157-3555-9d25-ee3ab3b59c51" href="https://mobile-industrial-robots.com/" target="_blank">https://mobile-industrial-robots.com/</a>).</div>
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Teradyne Robotics A/S is proposing a new open-source license for graphics <span style="font-size:14.6667px">
(TERO-GL-1.0)</span>, and I am reaching out to this forum to collect feedback on the proposed license before submitting the license for a formal review by the OSI. </div>
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The proposal can be found on this GitHub page: <span style="font-size:14.6667px">
<a id="x_m_-2454022789108596576OWAe82059b2-ec30-4973-9598-dd38e9f227ed" href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/UniversalRobots/TERO-GL__;!!GenOTVeOfQ!SFxa51mqWWe_2PxImrvO9wN0Nj1Jh-kTa4EIXA0jYGLPwG25WePTW5BAcSFvSY-35ZRARZPNgQunLDMC3QiQAnsZWoA$" target="_blank">https://github.com/UniversalRobots/TERO-GL
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\u2002\u2002\u2002\u2002where the proposed license is provided as the license file (<a id="x_m_-2454022789108596576OWA190496b1-c43d-bc31-cec4-4e71b7fe46ad" href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/UniversalRobots/TERO-GL/blob/main/LICENSE__;!!GenOTVeOfQ!SFxa51mqWWe_2PxImrvO9wN0Nj1Jh-kTa4EIXA0jYGLPwG25WePTW5BAcSFvSY-35ZRARZPNgQunLDMC3QiQQNaeO_I$" target="_blank">https://github.com/UniversalRobots/TERO-GL/blob/main/LICENSE
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the motivation is provided as the README file (<a id="x_m_-2454022789108596576OWAd81ccda2-23a9-a0b7-76fa-6148991046da" href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/UniversalRobots/TERO-GL/blob/main/README.md__;!!GenOTVeOfQ!SFxa51mqWWe_2PxImrvO9wN0Nj1Jh-kTa4EIXA0jYGLPwG25WePTW5BAcSFvSY-35ZRARZPNgQunLDMC3QiQa3UvfOI$" target="_blank">https://github.com/UniversalRobots/TERO-GL/blob/main/README.md
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