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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-discuss] Proposal of new new open-source license for graphics (TERO-GL-1.0)</font>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Morten,
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<div>I think your proposed license is rooted in a misunderstanding of the OSD, including by your legal advisors - next time it might be a good idea to hire someone with more backing in Open Source. Where US attorneys are concerned I recommend Heather Meeker,
and can connect you if necessary. I consult, as do other people on this list. IMO the best path would be the one I last suggested - reduce the complexity of the images and give them away, after all someone could easily make a 3D mesh of an existing robot within
fair use and publish it, one can do that almost instantly these days,.</div>
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<div>Since I put a few hours into reviewing your texts, as probably did Josh as well, it would be nice to hear an acknowledgement of our comments and perhaps what path you think you will now pursue. </div>
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<div>Agreed. But I couldn't actually find the text that implemented that requirement.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 16:11 Josh Berkus <<a href="mailto:josh@berkus.org" target="_blank">josh@berkus.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I am representing Teradyne Robotics A/S, a division of Teradyne inc. <br>
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robots.com/ [robots.com]</a> <<a href="https://mobile-industrial-robots.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mobile-industrial-robots.com/</a>>).<br>
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While I haven't reviewed the text of the license, there seems to be a <br>
core purpose of the license that's at odds with open source requirements:<br>
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> The main goal was to find a license that would allow third parties to <br>
use these models in simulation environments while not allowing them to <br>
manufacture physical products based on them.<br>
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That's a clear violation of OSD6 ("no discrimination against fields of <br>
endeavor"), as far as I can tell, and explains why you couldn't find an <br>
existing open source license that suited your purpose. This is very <br>
similar to "no commercial use" licenses that are popular with a variety <br>
of entities; those can be open-ish, but they are not open source.<br>
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It sounds like what you want is more of a "shared source" license, or <br>
even an agreement, for your association.<br>
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