<div dir="ltr">Hi Sado-san,<div><br></div><div>It is unfortunate that Japan made the choice that it did, because it makes Open Source software fair game for those who would profit from the work of our developers without attribution or remuneration and entirely outside of their license terms. I came to the conclusion that this could not be fixed under my own rules in the OSD. This is one of the reasons I've been working on Post-Open. At this time the Post-Open license requires explicit consent for use in Japan (rather than tear-open or implicit consent) because I felt that was necessary to work reliably within their law.</div><div><br></div><div> Thanks</div><div><br></div><div> Bruce</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 5:31 PM Shuji Sado <<a href="mailto:shujisado@gmail.com">shujisado@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">In general, Japanese copyright law is considered to be one of the most<br>
compatible with machine learning in the world.<br>
Training AI with open source code is basically considered legal, and<br>
even for commercial software code, AI training is legal as long as it<br>
is not explicitly prohibited by contract.<br>
<br>
However, if the output generated by the AI is substantially identical<br>
to the original code, it will be considered copyright infringement of<br>
the original code.<br>
License washing is not permitted.<br>
<br>
The Agency for Cultural Affairs in Japan recently published an English<br>
PDF titled "General Understanding on AI and Copyright in Japan":<br>
<a href="https://www.bunka.go.jp/english/policy/copyright/pdf/94055801_01.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.bunka.go.jp/english/policy/copyright/pdf/94055801_01.pdf</a> .<br>
Various industries in Japan discussed and submitted tens of thousands<br>
of public comments for the creation of this document.<br>
Although it is not a complete document, it provides an understanding<br>
of how Article 30-4 of the Copyright Act, which is seen as fully<br>
endorsing machine learning, actually functions.<br>
<br>
<br>
2024/05/26 2:10 Bruce Perens via License-discuss<br>
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> 1. Not in Japan, because they've decided to make their law that way. 2. It should be the case in most countries, but it is not so far because it's not literal copying and cases which are attempting to make the point that it is copying are still in litigation.<br>
><br>
> On Sat, May 25, 2024, 06:55 Miles Georgi <<a href="mailto:azimux@gmail.com" target="_blank">azimux@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi! If I open-source a project with a free license, if code from that project winds up being used as training data or prompt data to a code-generating AI to generate similar code, would that generated code be considered a derived work under any circumstances? And does that potentially depend on what license is chosen?<br>
>><br>
>> I'm trying to choose a license for a project I wish to release and I'm assuming there's no way to protect against something like that but figured I'd ask.<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers!<br>
>><br>
>> Miles<br>
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