<div dir="auto">I agree with Brian. Of late OSI has made progress in having other things that make them meaningful than the approval process. Dealing with legislation and case law is important. pleasing the legal neophyte who thinks they've invented better licensing is not.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 6, 2024, 09:24 Brian Behlendorf <<a href="mailto:brian@behlendorf.com">brian@behlendorf.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">While I also agree that there's been nothing usefully new here in the last <br>
few years, if one discontinues the process of approving new licenses, then <br>
you shift the meaning of OSI from an organization that defends the <br>
integrity of the OSD, to one that merely defends a set of stone tablets, <br>
forever unchangeable in a world where worldwide formal and case law <br>
changes continuously. At the very least, updates to existing licenses may <br>
be called for. Others today are also calling for an update from mere <br>
copyright licensing towards using contracts so as to address emerging <br>
concerns. So I don't think an approval process should be shut off <br>
entirely; but setting the guidance that it may be easier to pass a new US <br>
Constitution amendment or launch a new major religion may be worth <br>
telegraphing.<br>
<br>
Brian<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, 5 Feb 2024, McCoy Smith wrote:<br>
> I agree.<br>
> <br>
> Unfortunately, these sort of “whimsical,” unserious, impossible-to-satisfy-the-OSI-definition submissions are a fairly regular phenomenon these days on the OSI e-mail lists. I<br>
> think the submitters who do this were emboldened by whoever it was that submitted the Vaccine License back in 2019. Shame on that person for starting the trend.<br>
> <br>
> I think OSI was going to use the Vaccine License submission and subsequent history as an example of what people should not be doing (and probably should also have a policy that<br>
> potentially frowns upon anonymized submissions) and put something about that in the pages on license discussion/review. Might want to revisit that.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> From: Bruce Perens <<a href="mailto:bruce@perens.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bruce@perens.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Monday, February 5, 2024 8:03 AM<br>
> To: mccoy@lexpan.law<br>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:license-discuss@lists.opensource.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">license-discuss@lists.opensource.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [License-discuss] License Review Request - Anu Initiative<br>
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> <br>
> <br>
> It is a crayon license, and the author points out its whimsical nature while wishfully saying the terms bind anyway. There is no point in passing it on for disapproval or doing<br>
> anything else to take it seriously. Just politely tell the author there isn't a chance.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> IMO if you want to help the open source community, don't draft a new license. I actually do not see value in even continuing the approval process at this late date. It's just not<br>
> the case that any new submission contributes useful art.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Thanks<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Bruce<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024, 15:52 McCoy Smith <mccoy@lexpan.law> wrote:<br>
><br>
> And asked for review. Which he got.<br>
><br>
> Do you disagree that this license can’t get OSI approval?<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> From: Bruce Perens <<a href="mailto:bruce@perens.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">bruce@perens.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Monday, February 5, 2024 7:47 AM<br>
> To: mccoy@lexpan.law; <a href="mailto:license-discuss@lists.opensource.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">license-discuss@lists.opensource.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [License-discuss] License Review Request - Anu Initiative<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Note that he sent his review request to license-discuss.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024, 15:45 McCoy Smith <mccoy@lexpan.law> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Daniel:<br>
><br>
> In order to have a license reviewed, you need to provide the assurances and information about the license (<a href="https://opensource.org/licenses/review-process/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://opensource.org/licenses/review-process/</a>)<br>
> including that it doesn’t violate any of the OSD. You have not done any of that.<br>
><br>
> Since Section 4 of this license does violate OSD 6, it’s not approvable. So I’d suggest that this license be forwarded to the Board for denial.<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
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