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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Stefano Maffulli wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Various OSI leaders have indicated that they agree that proprietary software is harmful over the years, and, as such I had thought there had already been a position change by OSI from being neutral about proprietary software toward a pro-software-rights position that sees <span style='background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'>proprietary software as</span><span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-size:12.0pt;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'> </span></span><span style='background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow'>fundamentally harmful to society</span>.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Who voted? When?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> I am strongly in favor of open source software. I do not, however, share your belief that proprietary software is “fundamentally harmful to society.” When was that position fully discussed and argued? Are there exceptions for simultaneous open source and proprietary versions? Are there exceptions for software licensed under dangerous “open source” terms that affect “accompanying” proprietary software? Must consumers avoid all proprietary software on their computers no matter its value? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Or is freedom still a choice?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>/Larry Rosen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>BCC:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Lawrence Rosen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>707-478-8932<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>3001 King Ranch Rd., Ukiah, CA 95482<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt'><a href="mailto:lrosen@rosenlaw.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>lrosen@rosenlaw.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> License-discuss <license-discuss-bounces@lists.opensource.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stefano Maffulli<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 30, 2023 2:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> license-discuss@lists.opensource.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-discuss] OSI's purely-neutral policy position on production of proprietary software (was Re: Query on "delayed open source" licensing)<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 7:22 PM Bradley M. Kuhn <<a href="mailto:bkuhn@ebb.org" target="_blank">bkuhn@ebb.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Russ, thanks for clarifying this point as one of OSI's leaders.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>This statement needs a clarification: Russ is a *thought* leader of the Open Source *movement*. While I find his opinions valuable and appreciated, as well as his knowledge of history, he's not involved in leading OSI, the organization.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>It's worth reminding that the current leadership of the Open Source Initiative (OSI) is made of an Executive Director (me) and the board, which is mostly made of people elected by the community of members (individuals and other non profits): We lead the organization, convening conversations within a movement with a wide variety of valuable thinkers.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Various OSI leaders have indicated that they agree that proprietary software<br>is harmful over the years, and, as such I had thought there had already been<br>a position change by OSI from being neutral about proprietary software<br>toward a pro-software-rights position that sees proprietary software as<span class=gmaildefault><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>fundamentally harmful to society.<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We agree that it is harmful to society, and that's one of the reasons why OSI joined the Digital Public Goods Alliance, for example. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Bradley, thanks for sharing your concerns. We'll continue to fund research and document our methodology across all our mission-driven program areas.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>stef<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>