<div dir="ltr">My interpretation is that OSD #3, in the words after the comma, does permit immutable terms. Attribution is usually a statement of copyright ownership and qualifies as a term. Rants do not.<div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 8:44 PM Thorsten Glaser <<a href="mailto:tg@mirbsd.de">tg@mirbsd.de</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Pamela Chestek dixit:<br>
<br>
> What about "this permission notice shall be included in all copies or<br>
> substantial portions of the Software"?<br>
<br>
That’s the licence text itself.<br>
<br>
> What about "If the Work includes<br>
> a 'NOTICE' text file as part of its distribution, then any Derivative<br>
> Works that You distribute must include a readable copy of the<br>
> attribution notices contained within such NOTICE file ..." Don't those<br>
> prohibit removal of the license text and any NOTICE file? The first is<br>
> MIT and the second is Apache, both unequivocally open source licenses.<br>
<br>
I don’t consider the Apache 2.0 licence OSS for this reason, and<br>
possibly others. This is worse than advertising clauses, in practice.<br>
<br>
(And advertising clauses are already bad enough, but at least very<br>
limited in scope, and avoidable in excerpts, if not full forks.)<br>
<br>
I guess it got approval by legacy rules (just like the AGPL, which<br>
is severely stretching things, and perhaps even the GPL).<br>
<br>
bye,<br>
//mirabilos<br>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Bruce Perens K6BP</div></div></div></div>