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I agree with Simon that it prohibits forking. It is also my position
that trademarks are not "Legal Notices" as that term is used in the
AGPL and I can go into that in more detail if anyone is interested.
(And it's in my chapter in Amanda's upcoming book ...) For that
reason it may not be permitted by the AGPL.<br>
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As to the OSD, I would say OSD 3, although that is an interesting
provision (and something I think about occasionally). OSD says "The
license must allow modifications and derived works ..." But it
doesn't say ALL modifications. If it is construed as meaning ALL
modifications, that interpretation gets hard to reconcile with
elements typically accepted as protected from modification, such as
the copyright notice and a disclaimer of warranty by the original
authors. <br>
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But this is an easy one for me to say does not comply with the
common understanding of the OSD.<br>
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Pam (in my personal capacity)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/19/2022 2:40 PM, Simon Phipps
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I agree that all looks very worrying and probably
disqualifying, but the trademark terms in clause 2 are even
worse as they prohibit you from rebranding the software as would
be essential to fork:
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Using
these trademarks without the (TM) trademark notice symbol,
removing these trademarks from the software, modifying these
trademarks in any manner except proportional scaling (under
the proviso that such scaling keeps the trademark clearly
legible), or using these trademarks to promote any products or
services commercially, or on product packaging, websites,
books, documentation or any other publication without a
written, signed agreement with Linagora is strictly
prohibited, and constitutes an infringement of Linagora
intellectual property rights over these trademarks.<br>
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<div>I can't see any this new license resulting from the AGPL
and the additional terms would be approved by license-review@</div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
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<div>Simon</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 7:10
PM Josh Berkus <<a href="mailto:josh@berkus.org"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">josh@berkus.org</a>>
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Folks,<br>
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Someone just forwarded me this:<br>
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<a
href="https://github.com/linagora/linshare/blob/master/COPYING.md"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/linagora/linshare/blob/master/COPYING.md</a><br>
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Take a look at "additional terms", esp:<br>
<br>
> In accordance with Section 7 and subsection (b) of the
GNU Affero General Public License version 3, these Appropriate
Legal Notices consist in the interface display of the
"LinShare™" trademark/logo, the interface display of the
"Libre & Free" mention, and the interface display of the
"You are using the Free and Open Source version of LinShare™,
powered by Linagora © 2009--2020. Contribute to Linshare
R&D by subscribing to an Enterprise offer!". The latter
notice must also be displayed in any asynchronous message sent
with the Program, for example e-mails which will contain this
notice in their footer. Retaining these Appropriate Legal
Notices in any and all Free and Open Source versions of
LinShare and LinShare software Programs is mandatory
notwhistanding any other terms and conditions.<br>
<br>
... this is the most burdensome example of an attribution
notice I've <br>
ever seen. Feels like it's a violation of 10, and possibly 6
or 8 as <br>
well. Thoughts?<br>
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-- <br>
Josh Berkus<br>
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