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<p>Further, since this seems a reasonable change, why not present it
to Apache as a friendly amendment and see if they want to make it
into an Apache 2.1 license? I mean, if it's good for Disney, why
wouldn't it be good for everyone else?<br>
-russ<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/6/21 8:29 PM, McCoy Smith wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You
probably want to explain the rationale for your changes in
the language, which in redline would look like this:<br>
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6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use
the trade names, trademarks, service marks, or product names
of the Licensor <span style="color:red">and its affiliates</span>,
except as required <s><span style="color:red">for
reasonable and customary use in describing the origin of
the Work</span></s> <span style="color:red">to comply
with Section 4(c) of the License </span>and <span
style="color:red">to reproduce <s>reproducing</s></span>
the content of the NOTICE file.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> License-discuss
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:license-discuss-bounces@lists.opensource.org"><license-discuss-bounces@lists.opensource.org></a> <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Langley, Stuart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 6, 2021 3:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:license-discuss@lists.opensource.org">license-discuss@lists.opensource.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [License-discuss] Modified Apache
License<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hello all, this is my
first attempt at posting something new so we’ll see how it
goes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Disney has been using
a modified Apache license to release software. We have
not yet sought OSI recognition of this modification. I’ve
been hesitant to present this for consideration because
the modifications are so minor. The concern is that the
Apache 2.0 is too ambiguous for our taste about trademark
rights. The modified language is:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Amending Apache
license language & file headers. New text:
Copyright 20XX <INSERT BUSINESS ENTITY>Licensed
under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the "Apache
License")with the following modification; you may not
use this file except incompliance with the Apache
License and the following modification to it: <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Section 6.
Trademarks. is deleted and replaced with:6.
Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to
use the tradenames, trademarks, service marks, or
product names of the Licensor and its affiliates, except
as required to comply with Section 4(c) of the
License and to reproduce the content of the NOTICE
file. You may obtain a copy of the Apache License
athttp://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0Unless
required by applicable law or agreed to in
writing, software distributed under the Apache License
with the above modification is distributed on an "AS
IS" BASIS, WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF
ANYKIND, either express or implied. See the Apache
License for the specific language governing permissions
and limitations under the Apache License.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I would appreciate
your thoughts. The distinction about trademarks is
important to us, and should be to others who are concerned
about losing control of their trademarks to “reasonable
and customary” use allowed by Apache 2.0. Would a license
like this be a valuable enough distinction from Apache 2.0
to merit a separate license?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Stuart T. Langley<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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