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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hi!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>If anyone can find cases were Amazon or an Amazon company is publishing open source under a non-standard BSD license, please let me know, and we will fix it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>If anyone gets involved in formally step by step relicensing an open source project and there are commits to it from Amazon staff, again, please let me know, and we may can help you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Amazon’s preferred permissive license is Apache 2.0. In part because it doesn’t have this “dozens and dozens of pointless minor variants” problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>..m<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Mark Atwood <<a href="mailto:atwoodm@amazon.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>atwoodm@amazon.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Principal, Open Source<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>+1-206-604-2198<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> License-discuss <license-discuss-bounces@lists.opensource.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Russell Nelson<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 17, 2020 8:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> license-discuss@lists.opensource.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [License-discuss] A modest proposal to reduce the number of BSD licenses<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr style='height:15.25pt'><td width=706 valign=top style='width:842.35pt;border:solid #ED7D31 1.5pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.25pt'><p><strong><span style='background:#FFFF99'>CAUTION</span></strong><span style='background:#FFFF99'>: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe.</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p>We've all seen the vast variety of BSD licenses. You know the ones I mean: "Do what you want with the code, but if you change it, you can't mis-represent it as the same thing. We don't include any warranty because you didn't pay us for one."<o:p></o:p></p><p>I propose that we find two things:<o:p></o:p></p><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>A pair of BSD-like licenses which are so near to each other as to be practically the same in effect, and <o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>A party that is using one of these licenses and is willing to relicense under the other. <o:p></o:p></li></ol><p>The problem has always been that open source project accumulate licensors and patches in equal number, and in theory to relicense something requires assent from all licensors. I'm saying that we don't have to worry about them because they are suffering no harm because of #1.<o:p></o:p></p><p>This has been proposed before. What is different now is that the Public Software Fund is going to stand behind this process, and defend the project's editor against lawsuits by any licensors who object to this relicense.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Doesn't matter which license is primary to the other because this is just a test case. I believe that once people see that a relicense of no significant effect is easy, and lets the OSI make open source licensing less complicated -- which is the organization's long-term goal.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Suggestions for #1 and #2?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>