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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'>From: Richard Fontana <rfontana@redhat.com> <br>Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:42 AM<br>To: mccoy@lexpan.law; license-discuss@lists.opensource.org<br>Cc: Nigel T <nigel.2048@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [License-discuss] [Non-DoD Source] Re: Resources to discourage governments from bespoke licenses?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'>NOSA 2.0 was not rejected as such -- the definitive statement by the OSI board was in November 2017:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'>"Resolved, That, in view of the length, complexity, and ambiguities in the submitted drafts of the NASA Open Source Agreement version 2.0, it is the opinion of the OSI that the conformance of NOSA 2.0 to the OSD cannot be assured. OSI thus can neither approve nor reject the license, and NASA is invited to submit a new draft of NOSA for consideration by the OSI."<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><a href="http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/2017-November/003309.html"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/2017-November/003309.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'>Nigel, I am sorry you are still so angry about how NOSA 2.0 was dealt with. In retrospect I would have tried to convince the OSI board to reject the license outright early on. I would say that, until a year or so ago, the OSI board was reluctant to formally reject any submitted licenses, not as a matter of formal policy or anything, but rather as a kind of institutional custom, although earlier in OSI's history there were apparently a few outright rejections. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'>It's also worth remembering that the OSI streamlined its license review process last year in large part because of the experience with the NOSA 2.0 submission.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>Now that the Board election is over, thought I’d give my two cents on this [when I was a candidate for the Board, I didn’t think discussing this was a good idea; now that I’m not, I’m back to just a regular-old frequent list commentator, so not in any way associated with decisions of the Board].<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>I’d like to see NOSA 2.0 (or 3.0 if that indeed exists) resubmitted for approval on license-approval. The history on it is just too murky to me and I’m of the opinion that license approvals or disapprovals (or withdrawals in the face of disapproval) ought to be clearer. The new process improvements I think are a step in the right direction, and I think it would be beneficial to have NOSA x.0 go through that process.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>To me, that license is a good candidate for reconsideration because:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoPlainText style='color:black;margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>It is designed to be an improved version of an existing OSI approved license (<a href="https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3">https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3</a>). OSI should always be biased toward giving additional consideration of improved versions of already-approved licenses, as it’s a good way to fix problems with the old version, particularly when an old version may have gotten approved with some OSD conformance issues that can be fixed in the new version.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoPlainText style='color:black;margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>If there is a version 3.0 that may have addressed issues that were raised with 2.0, that ought to be considered afresh, without any of the concerns raised with 2.0 impacting approval (unless the problems that were identified with 2.0 continue into 3.0).<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoPlainText style='color:black;margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>OSI should be particularly receptive to the USG’s desire to adopt or produce more open source code (AFAIK, USG is the biggest single consumer of software in the world), and taking the extra step to help facilitate their adoption or use should be encouraged.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>Also, at one point in the thread on USG licensing, someone (I think it was Cem) indicated that something like CC0 (with a public domain dedication for copyright, with a highly permissive license backstop for jurisdictions where public domain dedications were not recognized or legally problematic), but that because CC0 is not an OSI license (because of the disclaimer of patent rights), it didn’t solve one of the issues they were trying to address with NOSA 2.0. I wonder if another solution would be to see if Creative Commons would be willing to either create a CC0 with an express patent grant commensurate in scope with the public domain dedication/license backstop, or would allow the separate creation of one based on CC0. If that seems like a fruitful idea, I could approach Diane Peters (who I know and used to meet up with periodically before our state went into social lockdown) about whether that was an idea they would support.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>Not sure if USG is up for that (and if so, if any USG lawyer is willing to step into the process to discuss specific legal issues with any submitted license), but thought I’d throw that out there and see if there was any traction on the USG side for that.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>