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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> License-discuss <license-discuss-bounces@lists.opensource.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pamela Chestek<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> license-discuss@lists.opensource.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [License-discuss] How can we as a community help empower authors outside license agreements?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On 3/18/2020 12:46 PM, Rick Moen wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Quoting Tobie Langel (<a href="mailto:tobie@unlockopen.com">tobie@unlockopen.com</a>):<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>The math here assumes voters only cast a single vote, which isn't how this<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>election works.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>No, sorry, I made no such assumption. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Afaik the 35% number Coraline shared was based on data provided by Josh.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>I'm sorry, but to reiterate, Ms. Ehmke's blog post claim (emphasis<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>added) was that she and you 'did collectively secure 35% of the _votes_<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>from the membership'. According to OSI, there were 1,061 _votes_ cast.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>This other divisor being waved about (338) is said to be the number of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>_voters_.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>If I've somehow flubbed long division, please show me where. I won't<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>even blame /usr/bin/bc, and instead just surrender my math degree<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>directly to you. ;-><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>What would actually be appreciated is, when someone has time, if that<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>person would kindly elaborate on which voting algorithm OSI uses for its<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'>Board elections. (Not urgent; I'm mostly just curious.)<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'>The <a href="https://opensource.org/elections">Board Elections page</a> says bloc voting and links to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_non-transferable_vote">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_non-transferable_vote</a><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>And Helios is used to tabulate the vote. Per Helios:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><br><br><span style='font-family:inherit;color:#222222'>Helios offers <b>verifiable online elections</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:inherit;color:#222222'>We believe democracy is important, whether it’s your book club, parent-teacher association, student government, workers’ union, or state. So we’ve made truly verifiable elections as easy as everything else on the Web.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:inherit;color:#222222'>Helios elections are: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:51.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#222222'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><b><span style='font-family:inherit;color:#222222'>private</span></b><span style='font-family:inherit;color:#222222'>: no one knows how you voted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:51.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#222222'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><b><span style='font-family:inherit;color:#222222'>verifiable</span></b><span style='font-family:inherit;color:#222222'>: each voter gets a tracking number.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:51.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#222222'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><b><span style='font-family:inherit;color:#222222'>proven</span></b><span style='font-family:inherit;color:#222222'>: Helios is open-source, vetted by top-tier experts, and in use by major organizations.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So the claim that Josh or anyone from OSI has the ability to give better data than that which the election results page shows everyone (or at least everyone eligible to vote) would seem to be false.<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>